What do you call the belief that God’s are just higher beings on other planes of existence while not believing in manmade organised dogmatic religons?

  • tree_frog_and_rain@lemmy.world
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    In Buddhism the God realm is where beings with very good karma go after death. Where they often become apathetic, burn off their good karma, and don’t reach enlightenment.

    The cosmology also reflects inflated/deflated egos. The mind needs to be balanced to easily see the path, and the lower realms have a lot of pain while the upper ones have a lot of pleasure.

    The idea behind enlightenment is to transcend both pleasure and pain. All the realms of birth and death.

    But there’s some God realms looked after by enlightened Buddhas rather than Gods. In Pure Land Buddhism for example, merit practice is about being reborn in one of these realms, so in the next life enlightenment is easier to reach.

    Personally, I vowed to be reborn to practice under Kwan Yin/Avolokita. Bodhisattva of compassion. I practice in this life too. But in the next one I’d like to do it in a nun’s robes.

  • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 hours ago

    They aren’t gods, just manifestations who cast them self into the next high dimension.

    They have noticed us, yet.

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    I call it a (wo…)manmade organised dogmatic religion. Sure, it might be just with a member of one (which is kinda cool and all and probably makes the organizing part a little bit easier) but it’s still kind of the same thing…

    But seriously, it really depends on the details on such belief. It might be anything from harmless cope to superstition to delusion to paranoia. Or a first brave step in escaping a cult–which I would genuinely applaud.

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    21 hours ago

    What do you call the belief that God’s are just higher beings on other planes of existence while not believing in manmade organised dogmatic religons?

    You’d be a Deist. It’s why I’m Agnostic Atheist.

    I think belief in something without any evidence is a step too far. I simply don’t know and leave it there.

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    Apparently not many anthropologists or people interested in history on Lemmy.

    There’s a few options, and it depends on what you mean by “gods.” The overall category you’re looking for is called “Folk Religion” which means it’s not organized beyond what local groups chose to believe are the “rules.” Without more details, anything below might fit.

    Animism is a starting point, in which you believe that everything has a spirit or is otherwise alive in a spiritual dimension. There aren’t gods, per se, but elemental forces are higher forces that are semi-sentient. So, for example, the Sun would be alive, Earth would be alive, the elemental force of water is alive, and each has some sort of sentience, but it’s sort of too high to directly talk with people, but you sort of communicate with feelings.

    Shamanism is animism with more nuance. Gods, demigods, demiurges and the like exist - basically there are non-human, non-corporeal entities that operate in a spiritual realm, as do humans, so a shaman does negotiation as a middle-man because they have learned and been trained to be able to operate in both our realm and theirs. While not an organized religion, most forms of shamanism have similar rules and standards. Which is surprising considering that many cultures developed shamanism independently of each other.

    As a sort of more detailed step towards specificity, you then have specific things like Native American traditional religion, Shintoism, many African traditional religions, Druidism and European pagan traditions, modern wiccan or other witchcraft-oriented beliefs, where local gods and spirits abound and are deserving of worship and veneration from everyone, not just having the shaman interceding on your behalf.

    Slightly more organized, but not really, are polytheistic religions. Hinduism, Hellenism, the Roman Pantheon of gods, etc. Westerners think of these as “organized” but they really weren’t/aren’t in the way that we typically think. There was no main “Church of Zeus” and then after worshiping him, you go to Athena or Nike. A person and household had their god and they gave sacrifices, then also did the same for other gods if they needed their help. It was very ad-hoc, and sort of interesting, as the Greeks and Romans went around the ancient world meeting other cultures, they would find another polytheistic religion and not say “No, our god of war is Ares, and she’s stronger than your god of war.” They assumed that the gods were the same globally, and it was just the names that changed. So more like “Oh, you call the god of war Kartikeya? Cool, we call him Ares. You know him, too, awesome.” So the dogma is actually quite light.

    Honorable mention for Taoism and Buddhism, which both can incorporate varying levels of animistic and shamanic beliefs, plus gods as higher beings that are out there, but not as high as every human’s inner Buddha form (if that makes sense). However, as philosophies-cum-religions go, there’s much more dogma and convention in play in some versions. However, both are Gnostic, in that personal experience plays a role in shaping a personal dogma, rather than having someone shout rules at you from a pulpit. I’m not familiar with the Taoist angle there, so I may be wrong about that to some degree.

    There are subsets of monotheistic (primarily Abrahamic) religions that are mystical and are less dogmatic. Sufis or Kabalists or Christian Mystics. They sort of do their own thing, and typically are seen as maybe heretical, maybe not, by the mainstream elements of the same religion. This crosses over the last line of what you mentioned about dogma, but worth mentioning.

    Finally, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just about anything you want it to be, and there’s also a Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

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    This question is too vague. “Higher beings” is not well defined enough. “Other planes of existence” is not defined well enough. For that matter “the Gods” is not very specific. And in a weird way, what you’re saying seems somewhat circular. Like what do you call it when you believe gods aren’t gods? If you don’t believe they’re gods then who are you even indicating?

    Are you asking if there’s a name for someone who believes that humanity’s major religions do worship real living beings, but those beings are simply advanced alien creatures and not metaphysical in any way.

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      Yup. Believing in higher beings from other dimension is just religion with different words. Only when the belief is based on fact and not faith can it not be religion.

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        Yes, but there are many different types of religion. You can cathegorize it. If someone asks what a car with a roof you can pull down is called, saying it’s still a car is not helpful.

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        I disagree, there are rules and structure to religion.

        Believing in ghosts is not based on fact. But you wouldn’t call that religion.

        Numerology is not a religion. It does have rules, but it is not organised and it doesn’t have a central authority. It is absolutely based on faith though.

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          Okay, it’s superstition, of which religion is a variant. There’s a very thin line between having faith in the supernatural and worship.

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      2 days ago

      Like what do you call it when you believe gods aren’t gods? If you don’t believe they’re gods then who are you even indicating?

      Let me give a possible interpretation. These are hypothetical, both in terms of argument , and in OPs viewpoints.

      We live in a simulation. The “higher beings” are the admins that are running the simulation. They can change the settings of the simulation and break the rules with their avatars. They live as common folk on their own plane. Jobs, wife, kids, food and sleep etc. So they don’t have superpowers, they just get to mess with our reality but not theirs.