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  • There are very real reasons why someone would vote for Carney Liberals over Poilievre Conservatives, and indeed liberals over conservatives in general. It’s intellectually dishonest and frankly does a disservice to yourself to overlook or dismiss these simply because you don’t understand them.

    For example, marginal harm matters. Even if both parties serve capital, they’re not identical in courts, rights, climate policy, labor enforcement, etc. Also, time horizons matter. “Build the NDP” is a long-term project; “prevent a worse 4 years” is a short-term project and there is little doubt that Carney is the best person for the short term project (and perhaps the best person for economic restructuring in general). Most people are capable of rationally doing both short term and long term planning and decision making. And also, finally, coalitions in our government are a reality. In Canada, minority/parliament dynamics make “vote + apply pressure” a real lever. Treating all “lesser evil” as pure self-sabotage ignores that. Many Liberal voters can acknowledge the value of the NDP while also acknowledging their shortcomings. Many Liberal voters have voted NDP in the past when it made sense strategically.



  • What’s your criticism here? Is it possible that your criticism is unfounded or missing some key considerations? What evidence would convince you?

    Your original claim that having different understanding of things somehow taints criticisms of Canada implies that there’s a set of accepted views that cannot be challenged or diverged from. That’s a description of an echo chamber.

    Yeah they’re called foundational values. I believe that people should be free to do as they wish as long as it doesn’t intrude on the right of others, for example. Foundational principles of a Western liberal democracy. I don’t believe you do, and so I don’t trust that you come to have a good faith discussion on anything related to the well being of Canada insomuch as it persists as a Western liberal democracy.





  • You’ll forgive some in this thread, I’m sure, for doubting that any good faith discussion with the OP can be had on the topic of Western values. Their post and comment history is clear. When your pro-socialists leanings have you defending Russia in Ukraine, it somewhat taints your criticisms of Canada’s standards when it comes to a nuanced diplomatic matter like this.