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I actually just want them to make proton drive work on Linux. That’s all I need.
I comment this on many of their LinkedIn posts. I think they’ve blocked me at this point
People still use LinkedIn? I thought it was just ai bots using LinkedIn.
I love these posts on LinkedIn. Tbh I love the similar serious posts too singe they’re so unhinged
I was abducted by pirates and this is what I learned about executive leadership.
You’ve read Caesar’s works too??
Good luck.
If Excel ever gets replaced, then we know that we overcame Microsoft.
I’m actually pretty excited to have another product to try to motivate friends and family to leave Google behind. Maybe this will do it.
I’ve managed entirely on Google Sheets for years now. And I was a really big fan of Excel. It was never viable for me to rely on Windows to be everywhere I need to be, and the functionality gap closed steadily over the years to the point where the benefits of it being on the web now overwhelm the feature gap. Being free helps too, especially as Excel has gone through various pricing and bundling contortions over the years. Someone might tell me here that it’s now completely free but can I really be blamed for tuning out Microsoft years ago?
Nobody can blame anyone but MicroShit for dumping MicroShit.
Genuinely what do you need in excel you can’t do anywhere else? For me sheets are just glorified visual data storage. If I need to do complex stuff I can probably do it faster in polars or pandas than I can in excel
It’s massive in business environments. It is the lingua franca of business analysis (both back of the napkin analysis, proof of concept and more complicated/involved projects).
It is most definitely not used merely as “glorified visual data storage”.
There are probably a lot of programms that do aspects of Excel better. But the combined might you weild if you know how to use Excel is very powerful. I tried LibreOffice and OnlyOffice and the spreadsheet part of those office suites is the roughest one until today.
But my comment was more about how much of our economy probably runs on Excel. And I experienced how badly Excel and for example LibreOffice Calc plays together, it makes switching very hard. A complex .xlsx is far from being rendered and calculated correctly in LibreOffice.
Yeah that’s fair. Many many many of my coworkers heavily rely on excel so I can understand this. I just really don’t like using it personally. It’s like vscode too much stuff thrown at me at once when I don’t need like 99%. Just let me write a script
Power Query
I raise you a quick SQL query. Admittedly I’m a data engineer but I hate graphical tools that abstract code away from me.
That’s wonderful you are a data engineer, but in a normal business setting most people are not. I’m the only one at my company who knows SQL exists. But everyone knows what Excel is, everyone knows at least the basics of using it. Even if I got my coworkers familiar with and writing SQL (which is a laughable thought) there are still clients.
Data is everywhere, and Excel has been the default program for light data analysis for decades. I hate it as much as the next person, but right now it’s inescapable and irreplaceable.
Excel/Access is literally the only reason I ever boot to Windows anymore.
Is Onlyoffice enough for you?
Proton drive on Linux
Did proton fire Andy yet? Fucking Nazi bootlicker
Holy shit, just give me shareable calendars!
Or searchable email bodies…on my phone. Which is where I’d need it most.
I’ve read “searchable female bodies” and was briefly very confused
That would be nice as well
They have those… Currently limited to the web app
I’ve been wanting a sheets alternative and I really do not like libre office. This is huge
There’s also Collabora Office
isnt that just libre office?
There is also OnlyOffice. They all use the document engine from libreoffice but use a different UI.
I actually like only office but i prefer it to be in browser
It does have a web version.
Onlyoffice uses a different engine. It has much better MS office file support but worse ODF support.
No, its a desktop version of the Collabora Online suite. Its based on LibreOffice, but imo has a much better frontend and is more stable.
With all these web based office suites popping up, I wonder if anybody needs these? It seems like a solution pushed onto us that nobody asked for. Everybody I know is still using MS Office or Libreoffice and everybody seems to agree that office on mobile devices sucks.
Real-time collaboration is fairly useful, you can have a videocall or meeting while discussing changes to a document and making them together
Fair point. We usually do that with screen sharing. But then only one person can edit.
Yes!! I remember submitting feedback about this being a must have feature ages ago. Excited to get it
Good news! Unfortunately I’m not sold on having to have a bridge to access their email using Thinderbird, so I’m not subscribing Proton Unlimited “suite”. Also no working Linux client for Proton Drive (rclone’s is unmaintained and not working).
It is technically impossible at the moment to keep your emails end-to-end encrypted and not have to use a bridge for your client of choice. It will only be possible if your client of choice partners with Proton to integrate them, or if a standard for e2e encrypted emails pops up and both Proton and your client adopt it.
Wait, you can’t access it via IMAP?
Problem is the e2e encryption. The bridge basically decrypts your emails and makes them locally accessible.
well great, now they’re just gonna sheet all over the place.
I used to think they would Excel.
You have my Word on that
Does if have FILTER, array formulas, spill zones, MAP, data tables, query engines, SQL engine etc etc?
To compete with Word: Easy. To compete with Excel: Very, very difficult (pretty much only Google Sheets have managed).
It’s not competing with word, it’s competing with Google Sheets.
Google Sheets is competing with Excel. Proton Sheets is competing with Google Sheets. So Proton Sheets is competing with Excel.
I used Word as a comparative example to say that parts of the office/docs suite are easy to compete with (there’s only so may things a word processor can do), while others (like Google Sheets or Excel, whichever order you prefer) is incredibly difficult to compete with; a formatting error on import of a Word doc is acceptable. An unsupported formula ruins the entire thing.
90% of users probably just need a glorified table with SUM
In a personal context, agreed. In a business context, I completely disagree. Analysts, finance, operations etc all have much more complex requirements.
Of course. But you have to start somewhere.
Point taken. Thank you for the reminder. I was probably being harsh. Appreciate the feedback.
They should have forked Onlyoffice, however I appreciate the effort to make their own from scratch.
Amazing! I don’t even remember seeing this on their road map. Caught me completely by surprise
People are still using Protonmail when there’s Fastmail?
Why would someone use Fastmail when there’s protonmail?
Because it’s fast
AND, it’s mail. What’s not to like?
Well you got me there.
i mean i still use proton + LibreOffice, sheets isn’t a big deal for me.
Why don’t they fork Onlyoffice for this?
Because forking a buggy suite isn’t always the best choice? If they have the ressources, and they do, making their own is best for everyone. More choices.
I haven’t found any issues with it. The problem with making their own is that the MS Office file formats are purposefully poorly documented with the spec being over 6000 pages long and MS Office itself not adhering to it. It would be best to start with something where most of the work is done for them.
that’s what cryptpad.fr does
