This is a likely scenario in the second round according to polls.
The election is in 10 days.
And the leading candidate int that survey is not only pro car but also a thoroughly corrupt populist as well. Let’s hope the survey bias did a lot of heavy lifting there. How do other surveys look like?
I feel like you could only really fight a car once, and it probably wouldn’t be very competitive.
Notice how, to OP, “pro-car” and “normie centrist” aren’t deserving of slurs, but being to the left of socdems gets you called “tankie” and libs use every lawfare case to smear leftist candidates.
“Voted against helping Ukraine” is likely translated to “voted against raising military budgets in France” or “voted against sending weapons”, which, seeing France’s reaction in the Iran war, was the correct choice.
Also, in an anti-car community, being pro-China should be the default position. China has the most extensive high speed railway network in the world, heavily invests in extremely affordable public transit, and promotes alternative means of transport such as bikesharing and electric micromobility.
being pro-China should be the default position.
You can absolutely be pro-public transit without also endorsing or excusing all the other shit one particular country does, just because you happen to agree on one point. China is more than its railway.
Also, I’m pretty sure “normie” is just as much of a derogatory epithet as “tankie”, and neither is particularly bad. Certainly not bad enough to rise to the level of a slur.
(Whether she actually is a tankie isn’t mine to judge. Endorsing their politics is an indicator, but I don’t know enough about this specific case.)
“Normie” is related to “normal”, “tankie” is related to “tanks”. The word “lib”, which I use, is a shortening of “liberal”. I could make up a slur to refer to liberals such as “dronies” referring to drone strikes by the Obama administration they support, or “bombies” for supporting Europe when it bombed Iraq and Libya and Yugoslavia. I hope it’s self-explanatory that the word “tankie” is explicitly a lot more violent.
You can absolutely be pro-public transit without also endorsing or excusing all the other shit
Yes, that’s what people usually do when they praise Dutch bike cities for example. Bringing Netherlands as an example doesn’t mean you condone Netherlands being the heir state to a genocidal empire. Bringing up China in the context of public transit should be regarded well.
The N-word is related to colour, I dont get it why that matters whether something is a slur or not.
Now, if there were precedents of mass imprisonment, law abuse, discrimination, and outright murder of communists, my argument would hold. Oh, wait, the red scare happened, and McCarthyism, and mass executions of communists all over fascist Europe, and…
Or are you seriously pretending that this didn’t happen? You’re talking to a Spaniard, communists were systematically executed under the American-backed Franco regime. As for France, Operation Gladio was literally a plot of assassinations of communists
Are you sure this was meant to be a reply to me?
Well, you’re making bad faith replies to words used to describe people who are consistently repressed under capitalism, so yes I’m responding to you
I said slurs can be based on colour and you’re saying that I pretend that communist were not persecuted, do you see why I’m confused?
I could make up a slur to refer to liberals such as “dronies” referring to drone strikes by the Obama administration they support, or “bombies” for supporting Europe when it bombed Iraq and Libya and Yugoslavia.
Actually, I think that’s a good idea. Call out people that blindly endorse violence or support a given government uncritically. I’d still rather have a bombie government that bombs the middle east than a nazi one that does so too, but worse, and also actively tries to remove any potential for resistance from their own people, but saying “A bombie isn’t as bad as a nazi” at least carries the subtext “(but still bad)”.
(Obviously, not bombing would be best. Imperialism is a despicable policy.)
It also kinda sidesteps the ambiguous definitions and interpretations of liberal philosophy. For instance, I’d consider imperialism to be decidedly illiberal, given its disregard for the consent of the governed, but that obviously isn’t a universal understanding. I’d rather not get into that here, so let’s just agree to call bombing-apologists bombies.
Bringing up China in the context of public transit should be regarded well.
The post brings it up in the context of a particular candidate’s opinions on China’s mode of government and civil liberties. If it specifically pointed out “China’s public transport is…”, I’d agree with you. But just because this aspect is nice, that doesn’t mean China as a whole should necessarily be regarded well.
(Again, I just want to point out the logic arising from the premise that the candidate does defend China; whether that premise is true is beyond me, and whether the claim is true is not something I’ll argue about here. Trying to have a chill, civil Sunday and all.)
The post brings it up in the context of a particular candidate’s opinions on China’s mode of government and civil liberties
A western lib (or bombie)'s propagandized opinion on China’s civil liberties, degree of democracy or mode of government are worthless if this person is not informed. I only focused the conversation on the public transit part because that’s what’s relevant to this community, but if you want to discuss how democratic China is in comparison to Europe, we can discuss the Podemos party in my homeland being destroyed by a state apparatus + private media manufactured plot of lawfare, we could discuss Alexis Tsipras not being allowed to enact the Democratic will of Greek people under threat of the Troika, we could discuss Berlin’s popular referenda of rent control being struck down by the highest court in Germany, or we could discuss Macron using emergency constitutional powers to raise the retirement age in France against the Democratic will of the people.
but if you want to discuss how democratic China is in comparison to Europe
Pretty sure I explicitly said I don’t, but thank you for offering your argument anyway. Have a nice evening.
Are you claiming tankie is a slur?? Seems real insensitive towards actually marginalized people
You can admire their public transport without supporting the government, what are you on about? “Since I’m anti-car I have to support the persecution of Uyghurs”
Are you claiming tankie is a slur?? Seems real insensitive towards actually marginalized people
Yes, I claim it’s a left-punching slur (no other political position is referred to by weaponry). We don’t call anarchists “bombies” despite the history of terrorism, we don’t call libs “dronies” for drone striking the middle east… Even Nazis have the luxury of being referred to by a shortening of their profesded ideology (national socialism). And sure, communists are famously never marginalized, Thomas Sankara wasn’t murdered, neither was Huey P. Newton, nor Patrice Lumumba, nor Che Guevara, nor Rosa Luxembourg, nor Karl Liebknecht, nor many other communists. Communists are never slandered, never kicked off their jobs for being communist, and are always given air time to express their opinion and never murdered /s.
When you talk about urban mobility in Paris, do you make it a point to mention the pinned Paris-controlled currency in 10+ African countries thst legitimizes and continues neocolonialism by France? Do you discuss the extreme exclusion and segregation of blacks and Arabs in Paris, leading to much higher poverty and criminality rates? No, because this is a community about urban transit and modes of transportation, in which you can definitely support the Dutch and the Chinese model.
Also, if you still believe in the “Uyghur genocide” CIA propaganda a full 7 years after the reeducation camps have been closed (per Washington Post), you run into the risk of looking like someone who doesn’t actually give one single fuck about Uyghurs, their culture or their well being and only uses them as a political weapon to hate on a country that their government tells them to hate. I beg you, bring me one independent journalistic report with photographic or video evidence of widespread repression of Uyghurs post-2021, ONE. I’ve asked for this a million times to libs like you who concern-troll using the lives of the Uyghurs without actually knowing one single thing about them, nobody has provided anything so far.
the reeducation camp program appears to have ended in 2019
It’s a useful shorthand, not a slur. +1 for calling libs “dronies” though, that’s hilarious
Again, you can admire their public transport without supporting the government, what are you on about? Why are you trying to link 2 unrelated things even harder now?
Interesting info in that article though. According to it, they’ve transitioned from putting uyghur in camps to putting them in prisons which doesn’t seem better to me
It’s a useful shorthand, not a slur
I would argue that demeaning shorthand expressions used in a negative connotation against people who have been systematically discriminated, imprisoned or even assassinated, is an appropriate descriptor of a slur. Communism has been seriously repressed, from “milder” forms like McCarthyism in the US purging communists from all public life and condemning them to unemployment, to more direct methods such as literal extermination through forced labor and murder as in my homeland of Spain. All Marxists from Spain were either murdered or had to emigrate to Mexico or the USSR during the 1930s.
Again, you can admire their public transport without supporting the government
Exactly my point, and the reason for my original comment.
According to it, they’ve transitioned from putting uyghur in camps to putting them in prisons
Not really. They’re documenting the existence of prisons in Xinjiang, but there’s absolutely no evidence of mass imprisonment of Uyghurs based on their ethnicity or religion or any other grounds. Prisons exist in all countries, not exclusively in China, and China doesn’t have particularly high rates of imprisonment compared to countries like the US.
Your argument would make sense if ms Chikirou was not a textbook definition of tankie.
How on earth is a French politician from LFI a tankie, you’re absolutely ridiculous
Why would it be impossible for someone from LFI to be a tankie?
She expressed opinions that tankies express. What else do you need to label them a tankie?
She’s homophobic and racist.
Hidalgo should have run again
You label Chikirou “investigated for fraud” and what about Dati ?
I know shit about parisian politics. What happened with Dati?
Would be quicker to tell you what she hasn’t been investigated for
A website was put up to track all the cases in which sehe’s investigated, because yes, we needed that!
She’s investigated for corruption (several different and independent cases), using public money to pay her personal lawyer, she abuses procedures to shut up journalists (that one is now legal but doesn’t make you a less shitty person) and others.
Oh, and she faked her resume to get in a prestigious university-like institution.
it’s incorrect to call LFI “tankies” ☞ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_France_Insoumise
while promoting the second choice that’s supported by PCF ☞ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parti_communiste_français
The LFI aren’t tankies as a group, but individually, this one seems to be.
Ah fuck off with your LFI slander, standing by social liberals will do nothing but perpetuate the system as it exists
Oh wow stated by a .ml user how shocking
Wow I joined a community that wasn’t actively hostile to my morals and beliefs, how astute of you to notice
I’m sure Nazis thought they had morals too, dear. Same with the Russian soldiers. Plenty of American soldiers think that too.
Nazis = party to the left of socdems, gotcha
This is how the Right wins, by doing absolutely nothing while the Left is busy calling each other “tankies”.
How’s the person who’s currently leading the polls?
Someone made a website with all the corruptions and scandals she is accused of and she is trying to take it down: https://wikidati.fr/
Welp, once again, it seems it’s a bit biased.
Dati is very much right leaning, and very much under investogation too.
Her lawyer made a website shutdown that was listing all her cases.Chikirou is trully such a strange choice. Even tho LFI IS left leaning (far from being tankies tho), Chikirou is… An anomaly ? She has been caught doing homophobe comments, and lately, has made a very strange comment about people not wanting to work 50 hours a week…
I’m not Parisian myself, and if I were to vote acording to my values, the party that would represent it better would be LFI (but not Chijirou, so tough choice), but the “best scenario” would be for Gregoire to be elected.
Even tho LFI IS left leaning (far from being tankies tho),
In 2022, Finland 🇫🇮 and Sweden 🇸🇪, requested to join NATO due to threats from Russia.
It required a vote in the French Parliament.
Every political party voted “Yes”. Except two:
🔴 Rassemblement National: Abstention.
🔴 LFI: Against.
So, LFI had political hindsight? After seeing what’s happening with NATO in Palestine and in Iran, how on Earth do you think joining NATO was a good idea? Good job Finland and Sweden becoming Trump’s lapdogs and destroying your welfare state to buy more F-16s.
After all these things that are happening, if you still consider that anyone becoming a military slave to USA is a good idea… I don’t know what to tell you.
Those countries are already EU countries. Russia will not dare to touch them. And if they do, then being in or out of NATO would become the smallest of our problems at that point.
A EU real defence policy would be better, but countries under immediate threats (3–4 years away) curiously lack that patience.
So until we have a real credible alternative to NATO, this is the only alliance available! NATO is not just about promises of mutual help. It includes military cooperation, joined exercises, etc. so that if shit hits the fan, allied military are ready to fight together in an integrated framework.
And that does not prevent NATO members from purchasing non-US equipment, which is what the EU has put up as a policy. France is actually a very good proof of that.
She faces a trial for fraud.
She wants to bring back cars to Rivoli Street
It’s a bit hard to see in the pic, but it does label them as “pro-car”
Huh, either I’m completely blind or then op edited the picture 15 minutes ago.
This poll comissioned by Le Parisien and Sud Radio, might be a little tiny bit biased in favor of Dati. I very highly doubt that a 3rd of Parisiens when to vote for her.
I thought i’d heard the local arrodissement populace had a lot of say over what happens in their neighborhood?
That was given as a reason Paris could reduce cars much faster than many cities , as Paris seems less dominated by the median suburban voter.
It’s shite if that 's not true. Paris seems so chill these days; at least in contrast to 20 years ago.
So what exactly are these elections for? Can they really go to an arondissement and remove all the pro-pedestrian stuff? Is that in their power - if the residents don’t want it.
I’m far from an expert on current Parisian politics, but I can confirm that the mayor of Paris doesn’t preside over a lot of suburban area. Not sure for the power of the mayors of the individual arrondissements.
The (populated) area inside the red line is basically all high density so the people actually doing the voting should be rather in favour of fewer cars and better transit. The surrounding suburbs — where there are more carbrains — are different administrative units so they don’t really have a say in how central Paris is run.
In many areas (e.g. Toronto), these suburbs also vote for the mayor and tend to block progress. I think this is also part of how Paris can make rapid progress— the voters actually live in the city proper.
OP is asking about arrondissements, not suburbs. Arrondissements are a subdivision inside Paris, and they do have their own mayor. But they have less power, it’s more of an administrative position. 50 years ago they were selected by the state, not elected, then the position of mayor of Paris was created, so the position for the arrondissements is more of a leftover of shifting things around.
But your post does answer why Paris can actually make those changes, yes. And no, the arrondissement mayors don’t make those decisions.
AFAIK the arrondissement councils don’t have much power. The reason usually given why Paris was able to reduce cars much faster is that there aren’t really any suburbs in Paris, they’re all outside and therefore have no vote. And Paris voted for a mayor with the political will to actually kick out the cars. I’m not up to date on why they’re now shifting towards the right, might just be the general trend in the world.
Montreal’s arrodissement system/controls also greatly benefited it’s cycling growth.
Though the suburbs that are part of la ville de Montréal are gerenally less cars brained than suburbs that are not part of la vdm. So that is probably a big factor. That said, the biggest suburbs (and the ones directly north and south of la vdm) are putting big effort into their active and public transit; so maybe not.
