Or Suse

Debian’s the grand-daddy from which the others all were born.

Asking the real questions.

Does that mean moving from EndeavourOS to CachyOS is also easy?

Maybe I should first look into what the difference is between EndeavourOS and CachyOS. Is it even worth it to switch?

I mean Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora (or Arch if you’re technical) are all solid and proven base option.

I’m old enough to know that’s a lie. I gave up dual booting years ago to save us all the embarrassment.

iirc it started as a spinoff since vanilla arch preferred to stay conservative in regards to compiling packages with “the new” cpu optimizations. They are not so new at all, but since it meant breaking support with old hardware… Hence, the dillema that called ina fork and here we are.

I did some Benchmarks and CachyOS claims of around 15% more performance seem to be true. Unigin Heavenbenchmark , Super Tuxkart and Furmark all got improved scores compared to PopOS. Additionally Fallout 4 now runs a lot smoother which is probably due to the BORE scheduler doing something better. My local LLMs also seem to be slightly faster and for some reason now need less V-Ram.

To add a tiny bit of technical detail here, vanilla Arch enforces support for x86_64 v1, meaning all software available in the Arch repos is built to not use any cpu feature that didn’t exist in v1. Not a bad thing since it allows for support of older (64 bit) hardware, but it does leave like 20 years of microarchitecture advancement on the table.

According to the CachyOS website, they have repos with software built for v3 and v4 which can apparently juice your rig for an extra 20% performance.

Yeah Arch exists for such a long time I will take base distros for reliability any day. Even if that means losing slight performance many things will go mainline in the future or if I cared enough I’d just patch them there. I honestly feel like baseline distros are really good long term and I think Archs barebones approach is perfect tbh

It’s a lot more than that. It doesn’t fork Arch like Manjaro, but they have tons of custom and extremely convenient and useful packages in their repos. It’s also a living “optimization experiment” in the vein of Intel’s Clear Linux (may it rest in peace).

Theoretically, you could replicate it in vanilla arch, but I can’t imagine how many man-hours it would take.

Mind letting us know why or how? When I installed it almost a year ago on my desktop, I did install it as a dual boot option with no issues. Of course this doesn’t mean there aren’t issues I just didn’t run into. I’m also not new to Linux and didn’t pick a fully default install, if that makes a difference. So I could’ve probably fixed it if it did break, but it never gave me any issues.

Well in my case, using systemd-boot:

• Window’s default EFI partition was too small to hold the kernel, but CachyOS setup didn’t check for this and just failed to boot linux. You wouldn’t run into this issue on a second disk I suppose, but I did on a single NVMe shared with Windows.

• Sometimes, if you do share an EFI partition between Windows/Linux, Windows Update will randomly nuke it and break your linux install.

• I also had an instance where systemd-boot just stopped detecting Windows after awhile, and it needed some manual fixing.

Basically, trying to install linux on the default EFI partition next to Windows is a risky default, and Windows users new to linux aren’t going to know anything about how to fix it.

The fix is to just make a second EFI partition on the drive, but the installer doesn’t do this by default. And I encountered this a long time ago, but noticed the issue was still present when testing Cachy on another PC, by chance.

I originally used EndeavourOS with hyprland and I tried to us kdenlive, but it would never start. I then tried to install kde-plasma, but it would never boot into the plasma DE. I went and installed kubuntu to use the kde apps, but things just work better for me on arch, like Bluetooth connectivity. So I decided to switch back to arch through Cachy.

Dependencies…? I remember accidentally installing entire DEs back in the day because individual packages required their entire native environment. So external maintainers basically had to ‘extract’ some packages from the dependency bundle to make them available without installing the entire native DE. Isn’t that sort of how it still works?

I believe they have a handheld distro that they use too. I heard it got a big update or something recently.

They do in fact have a handheld edition. I use it for my steam deck and it’s great.

Totally fine, yeah I use fedora for laptop, the Ally is only for gaming as I don’t have a desktop setup

Edit: changed to laptop as desktop was confusing

You will not see much difference in performance. This is from 2022 but should still be true?

https://www.phoronix.com/review/cachyos-linux-perf/5

I think it has some improvements in kernel settings but in day to day, you wont notice them.

it looks like there’s a new generation of “I run cachyos BTW”. While you are free to choose whatever distro you wanr, the passion with which you defend cachy is adorable.

Cachy is nothing but hype, surrounded by fanboys without much experience, who are willing to believe a governor and a couple of tweaks gives them the best os on the planet - I know, cause I used it and went back to arch because I prefer something that is real and the result of hard work, not a hacky job,that looks like someone just had fun hyping the shit out of “performance gains”.

You can keep your 1% gain, and the bloat.

This performance gains myth sounds like exactly the same wishful thinking as we used to heard back when Gentoo Linux was The Cool Hotness™. Don’t get me wrong, Gentoo was great, but its added value was not in the compiler optimizations, but rather in the modularity, where you could select a feature set you wanted for your system, and not worry about useless dependencies, their associated support libraries and bugs or vulnerabilities in those.

And when it comes to the kernel, can compile your own on any distribution, including using or omitting any kernel patches you want.

You can use Endeavour OS instead just as well.

vanilla arch user here, the installation is a totally different experience but it just gets you into that „go, read / listen and just try to understand what you are doing“ mode… which, in a long run, is quite helpful. Third year now, still mostly no clue what I am doing most of the time, but plenty of fun has been had in the meantime.

with the direction that Wind®ow(n)s took some time ago, I am willing to even write 0s and 1s by hand on a wet toilet paper to just avoid it. Super happy to see CachyOS or SteamOS grow, actually any distro getting popular is a great thing, more users, more knowledge, more problems being pointed out.

This one is just a media box and also for light gaming, some games could be a bit smoother with just a bit more performance and switching to cachyOS binaries gave it that small bump it needed in most cases. If you don’t count benchmarks that are measureable and repeatable then I can offer an annecdote that it just feels better.

Immutable is good for you, torture for me.

I game, browse, and do audio production. Between all these things, I’ve had the least issues with Cachy. In fact, everything’s been shockingly easy.

The flexibility of Cachy has been great too. Very customisable if you want it to be and lots of DEs to choose from, so really it’s can be setup exactly how you want it. This is something I like in most things, a “do it once; do it right” or “set and forget” setup. I’ve also had the best performance from Cachy overall, but when you’re comparing that against something like Bazzite, the victor could literally just come down to the hardware, they’re so close.