• Communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
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    23 hours ago

    I’m academically interested, what I mean when I say I’m not interested is that I just don’t see the significance when we’re talking about if it’s capable of the task.

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      22 hours ago

      How are you able to understand it’s capability without understanding what tools it is capable of manipulating to effect?

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        21 hours ago

        You aren’t, and that’s exactly what I’m saying, it’s capable of doing these things with tools, therefore it’s capable of doing these things.

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          So why are you allergic to people talking about the quality of the tools in regards to capability?

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              17 hours ago

              You are the one collapsing tool use into a binary when there are varying degrees of competency and hand holding.

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                16 hours ago

                I am not, you inaccurately said that the math olympiad was not bested by llm’s because they had a tool that told them if they were close but incorrect and can just try an infinite number of times. This is incorrect, they had a number of tries with python. This just isn’t a true statement. I think them besting it with use of python is equally significant and still counts as them besting it, and saying they can’t do math work is absurd.

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                  It’s not “bested” by the LLM though, a mathematician used the LLM as a tool to disprove a conjecture. Subtract the mathematicians from the process and the LLM would not have successfully completed the task. It would be more accurate to say a mathematician with an LLM was able to best a mathematician who did not have an LLM. Which is cool, but we don’t need to pretend the LLM is not a tool but something that “understands” math like a mathematician

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                    You’re confusing the olympiad with the erdos conjecture. This is just really not true, they just asked it and it found a solution, the mathmatician then used its solution as inspiration to create a better one. It still essentially did it on its own, and they certainly do the olympiad on their own.