It’s not though… It’s weird to see how willing people are to twist logic and facts just because they hate somebody though. Like you are just bending over backwards to make the same action (masking) for the same reasons (to avoid personal backlash) seem justified on the one hand and not on the other.
To be clear - these Nazis can and should die in a fire. But this isn’t a “false equivalence”.
Antifascists mask up because being doxxed by extremists can lead to actual physical harm or job loss just for opposing hate. These marchers mask up because they know promoting Nazi ideology carries social consequences. Protecting your safety from extremists is not the same as protecting your reputation because you are a racist.
the gov literally murders antifascist protestors and lets nazi ones get away clean.
antifa masks because uncle sam will shoot them.
nazis mask because they are uncle sam or don’t want the public punching them for being nazis. they are ashamed. until which point they feel safe enough to not mask and be full 1940 mode.
this is why we must never tolerate nazis. they are not human.
Critical thinking acknowledges context that you’re deliberately discarding, so you’re being deliberately ignorant. Which means you’re here in bad faith.
Members of the group in the picture (patriotic front) just recently got doxxed which resulted in them losing jobs, atleast thats what the press reports. Which is good btw and I find it good.
I am not saying this to make them look good or give them sympathy, but for them its also more then just social consequences and also a matter of safety. And yes its not in the same level as is for antifascists & anarchists, I know that.
No, it’s what it is. If it’s not the state, but other people, that are inflicting the consequences then it’s social consequences. What’s hard about understanding that?
Holy shit dude are you fuckin for real? You understand that context absolutely can make an action justified that would otherwise not be. What you’re saying is that self defense is just as bad as assault because they’re both violence. Which is, you know, real fuckin dumb.
no, he is not right. one group is hiding because they are afraid of violent repercussions as the result of antifascist actions taken. their lives are at stake.
one group is just cowardly and doesn’t want images of them as nazis to show their faces. but then still do nazi shit.
massive difference. stop defending nazis rights to spew hatred from the shadows. if they want to be racist fuckwits, they can do it in the light.
Lol, dude…no one is defending Nazis here. No one is defending what they say and do while they are masked. That’s an entirely different discussion that you’re trying to have.
The question is about why these groups of people wear masks, and the answer is the same for both…to avoid backlash. Just because we see one group’s actions as socially justified and the other’s as unjustifiable (and rightly so) doesn’t change the fact that they have the same reasons for hiding their identities.
I too, think it’s cowardly that these fascist groups hide behind masks. I too, think it’s unacceptable for LEOs to wear masks. And I have no qualms about those who fight back against them wearing masks to protect themselves. That’s the context you’re looking for, but not what was being discussed here.
It’s the difference between asking:
Why do these groups of people hide their identites?
vs
is it acceptable for these groups of people to hide their identites?
That’s reductive to the point of being disingenuous, never mind adding nothing the conversation. Are you a contrarian by nature or are you just deliberately trying to muddy the waters here, or what’s your agenda?
No he’s not, that’s a stupid ass take that disregards context and nuance. You really trying to argue self defense and assaulting minorities are totally equivalent because they’re both violence? That’s fucking stupid to an impressive degree.
It’s not though… It’s weird to see how willing people are to twist logic and facts just because they hate somebody though. Like you are just bending over backwards to make the same action (masking) for the same reasons (to avoid personal backlash) seem justified on the one hand and not on the other.
To be clear - these Nazis can and should die in a fire. But this isn’t a “false equivalence”.
It’s a false equivalence because context matters.
Antifascists mask up because being doxxed by extremists can lead to actual physical harm or job loss just for opposing hate. These marchers mask up because they know promoting Nazi ideology carries social consequences. Protecting your safety from extremists is not the same as protecting your reputation because you are a racist.
Like
?
the gov literally murders antifascist protestors and lets nazi ones get away clean.
antifa masks because uncle sam will shoot them.
nazis mask because they are uncle sam or don’t want the public punching them for being nazis. they are ashamed. until which point they feel safe enough to not mask and be full 1940 mode.
this is why we must never tolerate nazis. they are not human.
“Yes, you see the difference is that I agree with the motives of one side and not the other.”
This is just special pleading.
And here we have an example of the average American incapable of abstract thought.
And you’ve given us an example of the left’s complete lack of critical thought so long as it advances your political arguments.
Critical thinking acknowledges context that you’re deliberately discarding, so you’re being deliberately ignorant. Which means you’re here in bad faith.
Start there. Learn.
Exception to what? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you replying to the wrong comment? Explain your dumb fuckin position or fuck off clown.
You deserve nothing and can fuck off yourself. You wouldn’t learn anything anyway.
But suffice it to say if your rules involve who is doing things then it’s a fucking exception. But you’re a moron so go back to your circle-jerk.
Members of the group in the picture (patriotic front) just recently got doxxed which resulted in them losing jobs, atleast thats what the press reports. Which is good btw and I find it good.
I am not saying this to make them look good or give them sympathy, but for them its also more then just social consequences and also a matter of safety. And yes its not in the same level as is for antifascists & anarchists, I know that.
Losing your job is just a social consequence.
Wow what a classist thing to say.
No, it’s what it is. If it’s not the state, but other people, that are inflicting the consequences then it’s social consequences. What’s hard about understanding that?
Holy shit dude are you fuckin for real? You understand that context absolutely can make an action justified that would otherwise not be. What you’re saying is that self defense is just as bad as assault because they’re both violence. Which is, you know, real fuckin dumb.
No. I’m absolutely not saying that.
Ok then explain in detail with multiple examples what you are saying. Because I’m pretty sure that’s what you were saying.
I’m sorry do I owe you that much of my time? Fuck off.
Then concede you’re full of shit.
Looks like the people here don’t want to hear it, but you’re absolutely right about this.
no, he is not right. one group is hiding because they are afraid of violent repercussions as the result of antifascist actions taken. their lives are at stake.
one group is just cowardly and doesn’t want images of them as nazis to show their faces. but then still do nazi shit.
massive difference. stop defending nazis rights to spew hatred from the shadows. if they want to be racist fuckwits, they can do it in the light.
Lol, dude…no one is defending Nazis here. No one is defending what they say and do while they are masked. That’s an entirely different discussion that you’re trying to have.
The question is about why these groups of people wear masks, and the answer is the same for both…to avoid backlash. Just because we see one group’s actions as socially justified and the other’s as unjustifiable (and rightly so) doesn’t change the fact that they have the same reasons for hiding their identities.
I too, think it’s cowardly that these fascist groups hide behind masks. I too, think it’s unacceptable for LEOs to wear masks. And I have no qualms about those who fight back against them wearing masks to protect themselves. That’s the context you’re looking for, but not what was being discussed here.
It’s the difference between asking:
vs
That’s reductive to the point of being disingenuous, never mind adding nothing the conversation. Are you a contrarian by nature or are you just deliberately trying to muddy the waters here, or what’s your agenda?
No he’s not, that’s a stupid ass take that disregards context and nuance. You really trying to argue self defense and assaulting minorities are totally equivalent because they’re both violence? That’s fucking stupid to an impressive degree.