I don’t think we’re agreeing or disagreeing, because I agree with everything you said.
However - once you realize all of that, I believe you are also culpable of your own personal contributions.
It is not an “Us or them”, it is both. I admit it’s 90% them, but there is some fraction that is ours as well, and for my house, I am very happy that (except for the waterheater), completely carbon neutral.
I won’t hold it against anyone for having a gas car when they were under the spell, but I definitely hold it against them if their next purchase is another gas guzzler, or gas stove, or gas furnace, because they are happily giving money to the oil companies.
It is not both. It’s them, full stop. Punishing the working class for not making more sacrifices on top of those their use of power has already forced on us is you further serving their interests. Stop being a class traitor and abusive toward your fellow victims. We are not the problem and not solution. They are.
If you think I’m a “class traitor” for suggesting instead of buying a gas water buying an electric then there is nothing more I can say to you. Holy fuck.
The working class has made more than their share of sacrifices to fix a problem we didn’t create. You just keep asking for more sacrifices from us, when is it enough? How much more do you want us to sacrifice to protect the rich from sacrificing anything at all to fix their fucking mess? Everything? Is there a limit? Stop asking, telling or ‘sharing’ ways to coerce the poorest and least powerful of us to fix a problem we didn’t create and have zero control over. If we all went neutral, the wealthy would still just use all that space to pollute more. There is no solution without the wealthy making the sacrifices necessary, you’re just asking us to fucking suffer more to appease your need to do something about a problem outside your control.
Nope, not buying it. You already smashed the “class traitor” button, for me checks notes asking people to not give money to rich oil companies when they can by doing things like buying electric appliances. Any and all emotion or thoughts above that are what you assumed about me, this conversation is over.
Ironically if you hadn’t jumped down my throat I think we could have had a good conversation. Instead of creating allies, this just sewed more division. I’d analyze who really caused more class divide here.
I don’t think we’re agreeing or disagreeing, because I agree with everything you said.
However - once you realize all of that, I believe you are also culpable of your own personal contributions.
It is not an “Us or them”, it is both. I admit it’s 90% them, but there is some fraction that is ours as well, and for my house, I am very happy that (except for the waterheater), completely carbon neutral.
I won’t hold it against anyone for having a gas car when they were under the spell, but I definitely hold it against them if their next purchase is another gas guzzler, or gas stove, or gas furnace, because they are happily giving money to the oil companies.
It is not both. It’s them, full stop. Punishing the working class for not making more sacrifices on top of those their use of power has already forced on us is you further serving their interests. Stop being a class traitor and abusive toward your fellow victims. We are not the problem and not solution. They are.
If you think I’m a “class traitor” for suggesting instead of buying a gas water buying an electric then there is nothing more I can say to you. Holy fuck.
The working class has made more than their share of sacrifices to fix a problem we didn’t create. You just keep asking for more sacrifices from us, when is it enough? How much more do you want us to sacrifice to protect the rich from sacrificing anything at all to fix their fucking mess? Everything? Is there a limit? Stop asking, telling or ‘sharing’ ways to coerce the poorest and least powerful of us to fix a problem we didn’t create and have zero control over. If we all went neutral, the wealthy would still just use all that space to pollute more. There is no solution without the wealthy making the sacrifices necessary, you’re just asking us to fucking suffer more to appease your need to do something about a problem outside your control.
Nope, not buying it. You already smashed the “class traitor” button, for me checks notes asking people to not give money to rich oil companies when they can by doing things like buying electric appliances. Any and all emotion or thoughts above that are what you assumed about me, this conversation is over.
Ironically if you hadn’t jumped down my throat I think we could have had a good conversation. Instead of creating allies, this just sewed more division. I’d analyze who really caused more class divide here.
Unlikely, aslong as you keep blaming the poor for climate change and demanding sacrifices, you’re a traitor and a threat.
That was literally my point that I hadn’t said either of those, you assumed that’s what I meant. Its moot now. I won’t respond again.