Secondly, It gets complicated fast and I dont think can be easily reduced to “swung hard right”. The “latino” vote is diverse and encompasses a lot of peoples: Mexico, central, south America, and Cuba (All pretty different folks with different political pressures, history, and biases) Immigration, economic opportunity, skepticism of the democratic party caring about them, anger about gaza and disapproval of Bidens justice policies broadly, and a general rejection of the economic status quo all factored in. By how much? Hard to get great polling data on that. But Biden and then Harris’s message was literally that “nothing will fundamentally change”, at a time when his approval rates were very low.
This whole comment thread is angry people shitting on Latinos as if they were the problem instead of white voters.
White people are republican’s BEST racial demographic and are essentially what keeps them competitive every election. And Harris managed to pull 42%, that’s very good for Democrat nationally in this era. In most elections, that would all but secure them the presidency.
But the big glaring issue is Trump pulling a massive 46% of the Hispanic vote. That’s the ball game right there. That Hispanic vote share for Trump nullified any blue wall Harris had with her existing white and black votes.
I’m not here to tell people who to vote for, I could care less after this country has already messed up big time allowing a 2nd Trump term. But you people who voted for Trump, have no one to blame, but themselves, and that includes the Hispanic vote. If you didn’t want to vote for Harris, then vote 3rd party or don’t vote at all. But giving Trump 46%, they are the absolute number 1 reason he’s in office right now.
So you are just giving up on the idea that whites are worth working on at all and want to just work on the hispanic vote, is that what you’re saying? As a white guy myself, that seems pretty cynical.
Nope. White people could fix all of this now if they simply voted better. But we know they won’t. No Dem has managed to win the white vote since Civil Rights passed. White people literally turned on the Dems over social issues.
Now let me tell you why the Hispanic vote is at fault instead. Barack beat John McCain by 10M votes, the largest presidential victory in the 21st century, Dems gained 59 seats in the senate off of that election. They had a large majority in the house after that election. 2008 is seen as good as Dem can perform in the modern era.
And you wanna what percentage Obama got the white vote in 2008?
43%
Yes, Obama got damn near the same percentage of white voters as Kamala Harris. And Trump around the same as McCain. Both Obama and Harris had lopsided black support.
So where does that leave us? Kamala more white support than Obama 2012, Biden and Hilary (way more than Hillary surprisingly). Yet, she performed worse than both of them and way worse than Obama. How could this be? The answer is simple.
HISPANIC VOTERS SWUNG LIKE 40 PTS TO THE RIGHT! NO DEM CAN WIN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IF THE REPUBLICAN IS GETTING 46% OF THE HISPANIC VOTE!
This is some bullshit, on several levels.
White people voted 42%Harris, 57%Trump.
Hispanics voted 51% Harris, 46% Trump.
https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2024 Does that look like a hispanic voting problem or a white problem?
Secondly, It gets complicated fast and I dont think can be easily reduced to “swung hard right”. The “latino” vote is diverse and encompasses a lot of peoples: Mexico, central, south America, and Cuba (All pretty different folks with different political pressures, history, and biases) Immigration, economic opportunity, skepticism of the democratic party caring about them, anger about gaza and disapproval of Bidens justice policies broadly, and a general rejection of the economic status quo all factored in. By how much? Hard to get great polling data on that. But Biden and then Harris’s message was literally that “nothing will fundamentally change”, at a time when his approval rates were very low.
This whole comment thread is angry people shitting on Latinos as if they were the problem instead of white voters.
Did you even read what you typed?
White people are republican’s BEST racial demographic and are essentially what keeps them competitive every election. And Harris managed to pull 42%, that’s very good for Democrat nationally in this era. In most elections, that would all but secure them the presidency.
But the big glaring issue is Trump pulling a massive 46% of the Hispanic vote. That’s the ball game right there. That Hispanic vote share for Trump nullified any blue wall Harris had with her existing white and black votes.
I’m not here to tell people who to vote for, I could care less after this country has already messed up big time allowing a 2nd Trump term. But you people who voted for Trump, have no one to blame, but themselves, and that includes the Hispanic vote. If you didn’t want to vote for Harris, then vote 3rd party or don’t vote at all. But giving Trump 46%, they are the absolute number 1 reason he’s in office right now.
So you are just giving up on the idea that whites are worth working on at all and want to just work on the hispanic vote, is that what you’re saying? As a white guy myself, that seems pretty cynical.
Nope. White people could fix all of this now if they simply voted better. But we know they won’t. No Dem has managed to win the white vote since Civil Rights passed. White people literally turned on the Dems over social issues.
Now let me tell you why the Hispanic vote is at fault instead. Barack beat John McCain by 10M votes, the largest presidential victory in the 21st century, Dems gained 59 seats in the senate off of that election. They had a large majority in the house after that election. 2008 is seen as good as Dem can perform in the modern era.
And you wanna what percentage Obama got the white vote in 2008?
43%
Yes, Obama got damn near the same percentage of white voters as Kamala Harris. And Trump around the same as McCain. Both Obama and Harris had lopsided black support.
So where does that leave us? Kamala more white support than Obama 2012, Biden and Hilary (way more than Hillary surprisingly). Yet, she performed worse than both of them and way worse than Obama. How could this be? The answer is simple.
HISPANIC VOTERS SWUNG LIKE 40 PTS TO THE RIGHT! NO DEM CAN WIN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IF THE REPUBLICAN IS GETTING 46% OF THE HISPANIC VOTE!