• kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Fascist with some vestigial elements of liberalism (or maybe liberalism rapidly descending into fascism if you’re feeling generous). In state capitalism, the state controls the corporations. In fascism, the corporations control the state.

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      You are missing class context. In China, the working class control the state, and through them the corporations. In the US, the capitalist control the state and the corporations, and do fascism to prevent the workers from gaining any control over anything.

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          The CPC is made up of members of the working class, who both elect higher representatives and vote directly on numerous issues. Any member of the working class can join the CPC, provided they agree to the system of centralized democracy that governs the party.

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            By that definition most ‘western’ countries are controlled by the working class too, with the addition that literally everybody in the working class gets to vote.

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              Except in practice, when rich people are allowed to participate in the political process, they use their wealth to influence everything. So in the West, we technically have democracies, but in practice we actually have oligarchies where the entire system is set up to empower the wealthy and prevent the working class from gaining real power. Since China doesn’t allow the capitalists to participate in politics, their democracy remains in the hands of the people.

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                It would be extremely naive to think that the wealth doesn’t influence Party Politics in China.

                And there is no democracy in China. Electoral Democracy is one of the core pillars of Democracy itself, without it, it simply isn’t democratic. For that to be true in China there would have to be elections where everyone gets to vote.

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                    Sure, and those definitely aren’t just Ji Jinpings political enemies that he is eliminating, as is usual in an authoritarian state.

                    And yeah, no. That’s not what Electoral Democracy is. Or when was the last time a different party with different ideas was elected to Power in China?

                    Honestly, the lengths tankies go to in order to convince themselves China is a Democracy is insane. Literally 1984 DoubleThink.

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      going to quibble just because fascism is a reaction against a threat of a worker’s movement.

      That has been totally crushed in the US currently.