The suggestion was put forward during discussions between President Donald Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff and his Russian counterparts, a source with insight into the U.S. National Security Council told the paper.

Witkoff, who also serves as the White House’s Middle East envoy, reportedly backs the suggestion, which the U.S. believes will solve the issue of the Ukrainian constitution prohibiting giving up territory without organizing a referendum. While Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has rejected any notion of ceding territory, the new occupation proposal may lead to a truce following Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, which began in February 2022.

According to the proposal, Ukraine’s borders would remain officially unchanged, similar to the borders of the West Bank, even as Israel controls the territory. “It’ll just be like Israel occupies the West Bank,” the source told The Times.

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    I rarely watch Tucker but I did watch his episode with Putin because that was Putin’s moment to explain everything from his perspective. And he failed spectacularly. I severely doubt there were mistranslations. That would have been brought up.

    It was actually 98% instead of 95. I know Western media frequently lies or embellishes stories but this seems just too ridiculous. https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1125322026/russia-ukraine-referendums

    Unless I’m woefully misinformed then feel welcome to present me with evidence of the contrary. I literally watched Putin speak for like an hour to get a different perspective but was not presented with any.

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      Again you are fixated on basing yourself on ONE interview from some clown from the banana republic.
      Putin or Lavrov have made many statements and speeches explaining their reasons, concers and demands in detail.
      Clinging to this and only this to make your assumptions is weak and laughable.
      But sure, ignore all that and start about .
      Maybe you can throw in some Alex Jones somewhere.

      I severely doubt there were mistranslations. That would have been brought up.

      Right, definitely in the free and democratic western press they don’t do stuff like that, or worse.
      Like this farce?

      this seems just too ridiculous.

      When they had more than 75% in favor long before the coup and now they can’t even use their language and get shelled by nazis who also cut off their water supply they couldn’t possibly get 98%?
      But OC what do those facts mean when you meticulously determined ‘it seems ridiculous’.

      And what is your US regime link based on ukranian ‘sources’ supposed to prove here?

      OC the western press and organisations want to throw accusations and try everything to delegitimise a referendum they don’t like.

      They let everyone make the wildest unverified claims but when someone goes against their narrative like a German observer who reported “Being here, I can see with my own eyes that people are voting voluntarily,” they have to criticise it.
      “Observers cannot properly assess elections when they are not members of a long-term observation mission and when they make public statements based only on their own limited observation,” the EPDE mouthpieces said.

      Not only that, this guy was also fired from his job with this explanation: “clearly violates the world view, the moral values and the philosophy of the company.”
      LOL

      Unless I’m woefully misinformed then feel welcome to present me with evidence of the contrary. I literally watched Putin speak for like an hour to get a different perspective but was not presented with any.

      You’re not even misinformed but simply uninformed since you have made zero effort and think you’ve done enough by watching ‘a whole hour!!!’ of BS on which you base your predetermined conclusion that Putin bad.

      I don’t need to prove anything, you prove that all the referenda are a sham.
      Or can you determine that also from your vast research watching your little screen?

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        Unless Ukrainians are the smartest people in the world a 98% vote on anything is virtually impossible. If you asked people whether the entire human race should be wiped out you probably wouldn’t even get 98% against.

        The source they link to is https://ria.ru/20220927/referendum-1819941990.html

        Is that not a Russian source? I know about the staged Assad prisoner. Again, unless provided with evidence I don’t believe anything from Western media. But this one seems to check out.

        As for the Tucker interview, I’ve done more research than that. But if Putin thinks that during the only interview he does with English media where he can present his side of the story, it’s a good idea to just troll everyone, that’s on him. I recommend you watch Putins interview with Tucker and judge for yourself. https://youtu.be/fOCWBhuDdDo

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          Unless Ukrainians are the smartest people in the world a 98% vote on anything is virtually impossible

          Not if the Banderite regime asked to boycott the referendum bcs they called it illegal.
          That is if opponents were even there since a lot of them moved to Banderite controlled regions.

          Is that not a Russian source?

          Yes it is, but I can’t even see that page since my democratic EU regime has made the choice for me that I am incapable of deciding what is real or ‘RuZZian propaganda!’ so they block Russian outlets.
          We can only have toootally neutral pro-western ‘news’.

          And it’s a bit rich to complain about only Russian sources since it’s the OCSE that refused to send observers.

          There are plenty of translations of Putins speeches and statements on the subject.
          I recommend you read those.

          Anyway, the only important thing to remember is that there was a US orchestrated and funded fascist coup and they put a puppet regime in place, same as they did in Afghanistan or the many many countries they regime change.

          I don’t get how you can back the most agressive imperialist country in the world, especially since this particular proxy is openly and proudly fascist.

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            There are plenty of translations of Putins speeches and statements on the subject.
            I recommend you read those.

            Such as which translation? The Tucker interview hasn’t had any criticism of poor translation. Tucket got personally invited for it.

            I’m in no way sympathetic to the US. In fact weakening the empire is probably what I support most. But not at the cost of a million Ukrainians.

            Let’s not forget who invaded Afghanistan before the US. I don’t think Russia would use their power differently than NATO now if they were the global hegemon instead of the West.

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              https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/06/putins-full-speech-brics-nato-expansion-and-ukraine-peace-talk-conditions.html#more
              That took about 10 seconds to find. For the 10th time don’t care about your Carlson.

              I’m in no way sympathetic to the US. In fact weakening the empire is probably what I support most. But not at the cost of a million Ukrainians.

              You certainly are trying to whitewash and defend them.
              Dead ukros are 100% the US fault.

              Let’s not forget who invaded Afghanistan before the US.

              LOL you clearly know as little about that as you do about ex-ukraine.
              The USSR never “invaded”. It was explicitly asked by the government of the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, a Soviet ally and the legitimate government of Afghanistan at the time, to intervene and help them fight the US backed islamist terrorist insurgency.
              The same way Syria asked Russia to help fight the US funded headchoppers.
              The US on the contrary invaded illegally, again.

              I don’t think Russia would use their power differently than NATO

              That is indeed only what you think bcs you clearly lack knowledge of history, geopolitics and military potential of Russia.