I mean I get your point, it’s easy to assume the consistent factor in the discussions is the problem and you might be right. Id argue the systems of Lemmy are producing, through a mechanism I don’t understand, worse conversations over time. It might not even be Lemmy but the rise of AI or bots, I don’t really know. But I’ve had a couple conversations now within a short period that it’s like talking to people with an axe to grind throwing a random dart at the comment section and having it out there under the guise of talking to me - a person. It’s infuriating.
You’ve not been that bad, but you did miss the entire point of what I was saying and didn’t really engage with the point of my comment. Maybe my comments aren’t as focused as I think they are, or maybe in online discourse the capacity to focus on the secondary threads (or maybe the inability to distinguish what the main topic is) is too hard. Idk.
I’m not trying to attack you, I’m venting my frustration for something you did but that isn’t your fault as I’m systemically seeing it on Lemmy as of late.
Like imagine replying to this comment with “ignoring what you wrote, when the government reaches into your pocket to take your money, shouldn’t we have a better say in where that money gets spent.” It’s like… Not engaging with the person’s comment in it’s entirety and focusing on the smallest secondary thread instead while reinforcing the reason why I brought up the primary thread.
Again, no shame or disdain or ill feelings towards you. I’m just trying to explain what happened from my perspective and now officially and publicly wondering why this keeps happening.
They’ve raised a valid criticism of our tax structure and we’re focused on wording. Governments are taking money from working class people, and the assertion that this is necessary for a healthy society is not true.
The OC did not raise a valid criticism of our tax structure, or calling their statement that is a stretch. They complained at where it went, but not how our taxes are structured. You brought up a tax structure complaint, specifically a land value tax. That’s not applicable to the primary thread although sure, I’m all for taxing landlords out of existence. Everyone should own the land they live on and part of the land they work on and part of the land their community is built on.
Now back to the primary thread, explain to me how the exchange of goods and services for money is taking money from working class people? Do you describe the baker as taking money from you? I know you don’t because you aren’t programmed to, so why not extend that same language to the government which (ideally) does the exact same thing.
I don’t know how a society gets high quality public healthcare, research, transit, welfare, regulations, or defense without taxes. I think that’s naieve given the current state of the world showing that when you remove or corrupt government from/in things like healthcare (for example in the US) you get a terrible healthcare system. Same with every other category. There is no country with strong defense that doesn’t have a government and taxes, same with every other category I provided. Not to say what exists today bounds what can exist tomorrow but still.
Pausing the discussion about progressive taxation for a second.
If people on Lemmy seem increasingly incapable of having a good conversation, then who do you think is the most likely person to have changed?
We should be able to discuss this subject without personal attacks.
I mean I get your point, it’s easy to assume the consistent factor in the discussions is the problem and you might be right. Id argue the systems of Lemmy are producing, through a mechanism I don’t understand, worse conversations over time. It might not even be Lemmy but the rise of AI or bots, I don’t really know. But I’ve had a couple conversations now within a short period that it’s like talking to people with an axe to grind throwing a random dart at the comment section and having it out there under the guise of talking to me - a person. It’s infuriating.
You’ve not been that bad, but you did miss the entire point of what I was saying and didn’t really engage with the point of my comment. Maybe my comments aren’t as focused as I think they are, or maybe in online discourse the capacity to focus on the secondary threads (or maybe the inability to distinguish what the main topic is) is too hard. Idk.
I’m not trying to attack you, I’m venting my frustration for something you did but that isn’t your fault as I’m systemically seeing it on Lemmy as of late.
Like imagine replying to this comment with “ignoring what you wrote, when the government reaches into your pocket to take your money, shouldn’t we have a better say in where that money gets spent.” It’s like… Not engaging with the person’s comment in it’s entirety and focusing on the smallest secondary thread instead while reinforcing the reason why I brought up the primary thread.
Again, no shame or disdain or ill feelings towards you. I’m just trying to explain what happened from my perspective and now officially and publicly wondering why this keeps happening.
They’ve raised a valid criticism of our tax structure and we’re focused on wording. Governments are taking money from working class people, and the assertion that this is necessary for a healthy society is not true.
The OC did not raise a valid criticism of our tax structure, or calling their statement that is a stretch. They complained at where it went, but not how our taxes are structured. You brought up a tax structure complaint, specifically a land value tax. That’s not applicable to the primary thread although sure, I’m all for taxing landlords out of existence. Everyone should own the land they live on and part of the land they work on and part of the land their community is built on.
Now back to the primary thread, explain to me how the exchange of goods and services for money is taking money from working class people? Do you describe the baker as taking money from you? I know you don’t because you aren’t programmed to, so why not extend that same language to the government which (ideally) does the exact same thing.
I don’t know how a society gets high quality public healthcare, research, transit, welfare, regulations, or defense without taxes. I think that’s naieve given the current state of the world showing that when you remove or corrupt government from/in things like healthcare (for example in the US) you get a terrible healthcare system. Same with every other category. There is no country with strong defense that doesn’t have a government and taxes, same with every other category I provided. Not to say what exists today bounds what can exist tomorrow but still.