• Ulrich@feddit.org
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    Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them.

    How do you suppose that works, exactly?

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      I assume you’re unaware of the concerted advertising campaigns by auto manufacturers to take public streets away from pedestrians, including things like

      The industry hired actors dressed in old-fashioned clothing to illegally cross streets, making the behavior seem outdated

      https://missedhistory.com/1800/lobbying-trick-blamed-pedestrians-inventing-jaywalking/

      “Jay” had started as a word for drivers driving on the wrong side of the road

      jaywalker was pre-dated by jay-driver – a driver of a horse-drawn carriage or automobile that refused to abide by the traffic laws by driving on the wrong side of the road

      https://debrabernier.com/the-history-of-jaywalking-in-the-u-s/

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        I assume you’re unaware of the concerted advertising campaigns

        Maybe try to stay on topic?

        jay-driver – a driver of a horse-drawn carriage or automobile that refused to abide by the traffic laws

        So jay-walker seems appropriate, does it not?

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          It’s extremely on topic for the thread you responded to.

          Google has a concerted effort to make “sideloading” bad, so they can remove it without public backlash

          The next comment in the chain mentioned how auto manufacturers did the same thing, villainizing people using public spaces by calling it “jaywalking” until it became illegal to walk on public roads

          That was done to take public spaces away from pedestrians and give it to cars

          This is being done to take software outside of Google Play away and give the only profit to google

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            The topic was how the existence of the term “jaywalking” “blames pedestrians” when they’re not actually to blame.

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              Which is why I linked two articles discussing the history of the term “jay” and how and why it was used to essentially mean “a stupid person”

              Then I even took a quote out for you explaining that car companies paid people to do it trying to vilify it

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                how and why it was used to essentially mean “a stupid person”

                You told me how it was used to mean “a stupid driver”. Seems like an accurate term to describe drivers and walkers alike doing stupid things, like walking into traffic. 🤷

                The existence of the word does not blame anyone.

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                  It wasn’t a word for crossing the street until Ford wanted to make it illegal to cross the street.

                  Maybe that’s the historical context you’re missing

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                    They didn’t make illegal to cross the street. They made it illegal to cross the street in a particular time or place where the walker would endanger themselves.

                    I’m not missing any historical context. What I’m missing is how the term is inaccurate or used inappropriately.

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              I see your confusion. You are assessing it fro the rewlity when the project already succeed. You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit. How term change it in anyway? Right? Streets are for cars. Obviously.

              Buy before the campaing, the streets.actually belonged to the people and cars were exception. You had a shopping carts there, children plaing, cyklist and walkers. Cars were introduced, and the responsibility was on the driver to keep attention. When the increasing number of accidents start to generatete bad press and there was a risk that use of car will become highly regulated, they launched the the campaign with a besic premise “car exidents victims are simpletons that have only themselves to blaim”.

              Your confusions is a testimony to how well it worked.