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Which I’m sure is much higher than windows games working on windows. Proton is awesome for old games.
The stereotype is of the haughty Linux user, but fuck me all I ever see in these discussions is Windows users being belittling assholes.
We tend to come off as haughty when Windows users show up demanding help and being insulting while having put in zero work on understanding their own problem.
Switching to linux had me cold turkey league of legends im a healthier happier person now.
Same for me but I switched to dota; im not healthier
Dota 2 took 2k+ hours from my life. Loved every minute lol. Welcome aboard, it’s not healthier but I’d argue it’s better :D
the real cold turkey was Riot killing linux support last year. Seems like there wasn’t enough linux players at the time for them to walk back that decision.
Funniest thing.: the Mac client also doesn’t support Kernel anti cheat, but it still works. Fuck riot, I’m glad I ditched it.
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Wen vr?
100% of games worth playing work on Linux!
I actually enjoy Battlefield 1 + 5 very much, and they killed it with their anticheat shenanigans. I am still salty about this.
Fuck EA.
Oh, yeah? I have a super niche German adventure game from 2004 that I can’t get up and running. But then it also won’t work on at least Win7 and up (I tried). I can’t even get that running on an XP virtual machine. This game has become my nemesis.
See if you can trick Ross Scott into playing it. :) He has near infinite patience for forcing old games to run, and a skilled network to lean on.
What about an emulator like 86box or so? And which game is it?
Where’s my hype the time quest? I tried and it was a huge pain in the ass and I couldn’t fully get it working.
Unfortunately those pesky live service games that have the most player counts are disproportionately represented in that 10%.
They tend to require installing a rootkit on your own computer. I wouldn’t buy them even if they did support Linux.
Single player games are where I’m at so this really doesn’t affect me
I have a console for those, just never liked them on pc, feels wrong to install them when I have other options for mouse and keyboard play that I would avoid with a controller
you are a minority in this case
Wonder if they can build on top of eBPF? I think Windows is trying to implement it too
The correlation between people playing those games and not giving a fuck about digital privacy is probably huge.
For me its 100% of games, but sure, havent tried all games that exist…
Typically the competitive multiplayer ones fail because of kernel-level anticheat.
This keeps getting repeated as a blanket statement and it irks me a bit. More than half of the top ten most played games on steam on any given day work. There’s a small handful of games that don’t work that fit into the competitive multiplayer genre and an even smaller handful that are actually popular.
To be clear, I’m not irk’ed with you, just that this myth that gets passed around a lot hasn’t caught up to reality.
Top games by player count by daily players (numbers are peak in 24 hrs)(skipping anything that doesn’t qualify as competitive multiplayer):
- CS 2 - ✅ - 1.4 mil
- BF 6 - ❌ - 413k
- Dota 2 - ✅ - 761k
- Pubg - ❌ - 620k
- Arc Raiders - ✅ - 322k
- Apex Legends - ❌ - 155k
- War Thunder - ✅ - 78k
- Delta force - ❌ ✅ (work around exists) - 182k
- Marvel rivals - ✅ - 83k
- Dead by Daylight - ✅ - 66k
- Naraka: Bladepoint - ✅ - 120k
- Rust - ❌ (some servers do work though) - 130k
✅ Top 20 total - 2.83 mil ❌ Top 20 total - 1.5 mil (including Delta force)
Idk. Having just crunched the numbers I guess it’s fair to warn people about some borked Anti-Cheat games but I wish people would caveat by saying the majority of games people play even in the competitive multiplayer scene work. And it’s only going to get better i’d argue, although games like bf6 being a recent launch that didn’t work is a bummer. As the percentage of Linux users climb they’ll be increasingly incentivized to find a solution.
League isn’t on here, that would skew the numbers pro-windows.
The green tick may give the impression that the game runs just as well on Windows. In reality, there have been issues with CS2 on linux recently. Even though its officially supported, It may look like Valve doesn’t have good enough testing to actually ensure that. I tried it on Fedora KDE with wayland and nvidia and it crashed after one match (if not in the middle of it). Similar issues have been reported on the issue reporting repo. It may be an Nvidia+Wayland issue again (like there have been so many times before).
I was going off of protondb. I can’t vouch for each game on the list’s exact state on any given day, only that according to everyone who ranks on the website it’s native or gold.
Apex Legends worked on Linux every year except this one. League I’m told dropped support only recently (in the last couple of years). Like, idk man, there’s ups and downs to this data, but the point is not all competitive multiplayer games don’t work on Linux and seemingly the majority do based on steam and protondb data.
Or games from the late '90s and early 2000s 'cause they’re just weird.
But those don’t work right on modern windows, either
Which means if they worked in Linux they’d be exclusive.
Yeah, and these are biggest ones, Fortnite, LoL, Valorant… They are in that 10% but they are the biggest, so at least people like me that don’t play them should just make the jump already.
Out of curiosity, is this something that can be circumvented by playing in a Windows VM?
No, that was my setup for some time. KVM with PCI-e passthrough to pass the entire GPU to a windows VM. Worked great, until EAC started banning me for using a VM.
Thanks, good to know
The only games I’ve struggled with are those with codecs that are not distributed with Proton. Installing GE-Proton solved it.
99.99% of games on Linux unlocked.
GE-proton what add to proton? Beside codecs
From their readme:
Things it contains that Valve’s Proton does not:
- Additional media foundation patches for better video playback support
- AMD FSR patches added directly to fullscreen hack that can be toggled with WINE_FULLSCREEN_FSR=1
- FSR Fake resolution patch details here
- Nvidia CUDA support for PhysX and NVAPI
- Raw input mouse support
- ‘protonfixes’ system – this is an automated system that applies per-game fixes (such as winetricks, envvars, EAC workarounds, overrides, etc).
- Various upstream WINE patches backported
- Various wine-staging patches applied as they become needed
- NTSync enablement if the kernel supports it.
protonfixes is huge, all of those weird little things you had to do like changing dll versions or installing .net are just stored in a script that is automatically run when it detects what game you’re playing.
Also, GE-proton updates more frequently and those updates include current versions of the underlying programs (dxvk, wine, etc) so any fixes that are made in these underlying systems will be available in GE-proton very quickly.
Thanks for the additional infos!
Here is the protonfixes repo for reference: https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-protonfixes
Someone might want to ping that .ml user, since I’m instance banned from there, they won’t be able to see my answer
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I meant @[email protected]
Linux people responses will be like: “ive never seen that, works fine on my machine. i’m curious tho what version of Wine, Proton are you using? …. oh? what’s your desktop environment? … oh KDE…? ah must be a Bazzite thing? i’ve never seen that before on Mint with GNOME on my Intel Graphics Card”
https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@SilbinaryWolf/115483449807384098
I played both HK and silksong on arch, and haven’t noticed any glaring problems like that.
I just installed bazzite and hk, no issues.
Interesting. I beat hollow knight on my Linux desktop years ago. And I’m currently playing through silksong on my steam deck. And you’re right. I’ve never seen this lol.
Skill issue
I played through and 100%'d Silksong entirely on Linux. The only issue I had was that the native Linux version had buggy controller support causing phantom inputs, and didn’t activate rumble at all (like the original Hollow Knight).
I normally play everything through Proton-GE by default and didn’t realize the game was initially installed as native. Forcing GE installed the Windows version and it was flawless all through the final boss.
(In short, definitely a skill issue)
Really the thing that does not work for Linux gaming is when you have a high dpi display. So many games render the UI wrong.
I don’t know if they work correctly on Windows either.
What resolution is that?
4k?
I have a 5k monitor with 2x display scaling, so 5120x2880 scaled to 1440p
Good, but native would be better. At least they can’t kill Linux the way they did os/2
IBM killed OS/2, because they hate end users. IBM has a long history of making great end user products (awesome keyboards, great laptops, still good software) only to sell them to the highest bidder. All IBM execs can see are penguins with suitcases full of dollar bills. OS/2? End users loved it, but it didn’t run on mainframes. Killed. The Model M keyboard? End users loved it, but it was too durable, so it did not guarantee many sold units (because why would anyone buy a new Model M while the old one is still good?) -> rebranded as Unicomp and left to rot. (Typing this on a Unicomp PC122, but that’s a different story.) Thinkpads? Ah well, those are expensive. And they aren’t mainframes. Sold to the Chinese because ugh! End users! Lotus (SmartSuite, Notes)? Nice to have, but nope, too many end users. Ugh! End users!
To be fair, nobody loved Notes
Ummmm sure?
I don’t want to start that extremely old flame war of native VS jit code but…
Proton is not an emulation, it is a translation to native code, and while it has some drawbacks (more memory usage, more time at start up to compile things) it can unlocks a lot of potential when the hw support new capabilities, this is the reason that some dx10 games run faster on Linux…
I might be wrong, but I don’t think proton is either? It’s running x86 instructions either way, wine just provides a way to load it from the windows executable and library formats, and together with proton they provide implementations of windows libraries for those executables to use.
I guess most of the process is just using a wrapper to translate the call to a Windows library to the equivalent call to a Linux library.
As far as I know for the new Vulkans layers and dx12 implementation there is a “translation layer” from the old dx implementation to the most updated one. This is the main reason why old games runs faster on Proton than in w7 for the same hw. Even if they were designed for w7 specifically.
Last time I checked this was done during the booting of the game, but i have to admit this was time ago and it could have been changed.
“Perfect is the enemy of good.”
I’ll take compatible.
Most people game on windows. It’s monolithic nature also means that they will mostly encounter the same bugs.
Linux has a wider base of functionality. A bug might only show up on Debian, not Ubuntu.
End result, they spend 60% of their effort solving bugs, for 2% of their base. That’s not cost viable.
Compatibility means they just have to focus on 1 base of code. All we ask is that they don’t actively break the compatibility. This is far less effort, and a lot easier to sell to the bean counters.
Once Linux has a decent share, we can work on better universal standards. We likely need at least 10% to even get a chance there.
That 10%? The games everybody plays.
This may be the first time I haven’t fallen into the subset of “everybody.”
Everything I want to play runs using Linux/proton. It seems like the only things that have trouble are things I’d never consider even installing, let alone running.
I was watching a video about extraction shooters and it mentioned a F2P Chinese one. I wasn’t that interested in it, but I wanted to give it a try to see what it was doing differently. It didn’t run though, because almost all Chinese games have kernel-level AC. I figure it’s not a big loss. I own EfT, and I’ve got other extraction shooters to play, especially ARC Raiders now.
That was the last time, and the only time in a very long time, that a game I tried to play didn’t just work.
I’m curious, does EFT work on Linux now? I had a workaround with a windows VM years ago, but the anti-cheat decided that was evil one day and wouldn’t let me play anymore
kernel-level AC
This sounds like they did you a solid by not working. I’ll have to look up this genre of shooter, though; not something I’ve heard of before. I tend to be too easily annoyed for anything that isn’t single-player or local co-op these days, although some part of me still remembers some MMOs though rose-colored nostalgia glasses.
I pretty sure I wouldn’t have enjoyed it as much as EfT or definitely not ARC Raiders, but I still wanted to see what they decided to do differently. Yeah, they probably saved me some time.
ARC Raiders is what I’d be playing even on Windows.
An extraction shooter where there is a common enemy creates a lot of spontaneous cooperation. People are still dangerous, but seeing a person isn’t a life or death situation like in EfT.
You’re the exception
Most people play the same 3 FPS games that don’t run on Linux. They’re probably not the type of people that would use Linux but hey, some might
I guess I’m not everbody then. After writing this message I’ll go and play some Witcher 3.
Witcher 3? Never heard of it.
/s
Unfortunately the 10% that don’t include the biggest, most played games in the world.
Like Elden ring and nightreign? Hugely successful games. Play them all the time in Linux.
Hows battlefield 6 going on linux? Fortnite? Black Ops 6? Warzone? PUBG? Apex Legends? GTA 5 / GTA Online?
I don’t play any of those.
My point is, there’s loads of great popular multiplayer games that don’t use garbage kernel level anticheat.
This. Plus anti-cheat is still a removed on Linux.
Anticheat works fine. Just not the kernel level nasty ones. But that’s a good thing.
But that’s a good thing.
If you don’t want to be able to play the biggest games released, I guess…
You’re looking at it wrong. They need to not invade our kernel.
100% of Windows games run on Windows. Just saying.
Space Cadet Pinball was removed from Windows, but it comes stock with Bazzite.
Just play it anywhere.
Right, but you realise that’s a reverse engineered version of the game? The original can’t be played on Windows. One glorious project to save a beloved game is a noble endeavour, but the same cannot be done for all the Windows games like it that cannot be played anymore. Spore is barely playable these days.
Right, but you realise that’s a reverse engineered version of the game?
The source article we’re commenting on here largely argues that Linux is only halfway decent for gaming because of Wine, a reverse-engineered version of the Windows ABI/API. Are reverse-engineered versions a valid point or not?
Wine is not an emulator. It’s a translation layer, which enables running the original software. Linux with Wine supports old windows games better than new windows does. In the next few years we’ll reach the point where Linux can play more games than Windows can, and it may already be here.
Wine is not an emulator.
I know that Wine zealots use that as a meme, but please note that I haven’t said it was. (Not that it mattered for the users anyway.)
In the next few years we’ll reach the point where Linux can play more games than Windows can
Citation needed.
I’ve heard that there’s some older windows games that don’t run in newer versions of Windows but do run in proton
If only Windows wasn’t so ass :(
True, but getting us privacy-concious folks to use any version of windows, even the most palatable (Enterprise IOT LTSC, which is impossible for an individual to acquire through official channels) is a hard sell. I’m still only using Win10 IOT LTSC for VR game support, but I’m just biding my time. Already switched all of my other devices off windows.
Why would privacy-conscious folks run a system that’s largely being developed by Microsoft, Red Hat and the NSA instead of a BSD?
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Even the 16 bit ones? ;)
Hmm, while interesting, that doesn’t seem like it comes with windows itself :P
I’m sure there are Windows distributions which have some DOS emulator preinstalled. ;-)
Linux users hate reality, so they downvote comments. Made my day.
Bait 😔
I think its more that you stated the obvious. Like saying 100% of Linux Appimages run on Linux. The reason to move from Windows, or one of them, is MS using telemetry and screen capture and other bloat that ruins the gamiglng experience due to processing power needed, you move that to a Linux machine and there’s no background garbage running.
For example my machine had dual boot, at idle windows was using 6% of processing power to do nothing. On Linux it was 0 to .5% to idle.
With windows updates I have to delete Ai.exe and Ai.DLL from the office folders or randomly ai starts hogging resources even if I have no office apps in use. Just a terrible user experience.
They stated the obvious, which didn’t add to the conversation, and also was wrong. There are a number of older games that just do not work on modern Windows. Frequently they work through WINE/Proton just fine though.
WINE works on Windows.
at idle windows was using 6% of processing power to do nothing.
You think it’s doing nothing, but it definitely is doing something. Windows just does more stuff than Linux. For all you know it’s rebuilding indexes to make the whole PC run better.
tated the obvious, which
Its running uneccessary stuff for my user, like telemetry, and other preinstalled MS nonsense ai.exe, etc.
And it definetly wasn’t building indexes. LOL. I have excel installed, if I type excel in the search with app filter it can’t find it.
Also I shared a drive between windows and Linux before. Linux GNOME indexing finds stuff instantly, Windows indexed search still takes forever looking for data.
if I type excel in the search with app filter it can’t find it.
Lol ok so you’re just straight up lying. Good to know it’s not worth interacting.
Typical windows troll, doesn’t like the truth.
you can downvote on lemmy?
some instances (like yours blahaj) block the use of downvotes
Which is a good thing in my opinion. Constructive debates work better without wordless reactions.
Not necessarily, steam includes a windows compatibility layer making many windows games playable on Linux and that’s how most steam deck games run. On stream deck specifically the battery life and performance is often better under this translation layer than installing windows and running them natively.
Edit: Just skimmed the article, this is exactly what it’s about.
The comment you replied to did not dispute that. They said Windows games run on Windows, not that they don’t run on Linux.
Fair point :)
The only game I am not able to make it work on Linux is “The Sims 4”. After installing it on Steam, when clicking on Play, it runs the EA app in the background and tries to start the game, but it doesn’t load. Any suggestion?
always check protonDB:
https://www.protondb.com/app/1222670
Looks like most people are using GloriousEggroll’s version of Proton (ProtonGE) and some are using launch options to disable the EA Launcher.
GE works on Wine at Red Hat and is thus very knowledgeable about windows translations and the stuff he changes about Valves Proton are often merged down the line, its like an unofficial beta release and I’ve had good a experience with Hus proton Versions.
That said, to actually get custom Proton Versions I use “ProtonUp-Qt”(available as flatpak): https://davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/
Which downloads different Proton Versions and manages them for you. You can then set the default for all games in the steam settings, or on a game-by-game basis
Try the GE version of Proton, it’s usually more curring edge.
Mayb this can help: https://www.protondb.com/app/1222670
Impressive, now tell me what % of the top 20 current concurrent players games run on linux.
Here you go:
Want more?
More?
MOAR?
And personally:
What am I looking at? What are the colors?
Ok, I figured it out after visiting protondb.com
Yeah, sorry.
Medals are probably the best metric. Besides red for broken, they go
- bronze for barely playable with lots of tinkering
- silver for playable with tinkering
- gold for working great with some tinkering
- platinum for works out of the box with no tinkering
And above that “native”, which I think is not included in the charts. Even native games you can still opt to play through proton though. I had better performance playing Slay the Spire and Project Zomboid on older gfx with Proton than native for example.
as far as i can tell this only accounts for games on steam, which means massive games like fortnite, valorant, league of legends and genshin impact are excluded. also for some reason apex legends is rated as silver on protondb despite very much not working on linux? so i guess at least one of the silvers in the top 10 chart should be downgraded to not working
This is true. For anticheat specific issues there is https://areweanticheatyet.com/
Apex Legends is silver because it had 3k+ positive reviews before, but about a year ago EA decided to flip the switch on Linux within EAC. Likely to fuck with steam deck, or maybe to do some handwaving of dealing with cheaters.
So 60% for top 10?
