Well, the post mentions Thanksgiving, and since it’s not October anymore, it’s safe to some the OOP is talking about American Thanksgiving, so they are addressing Americans primarily, yes.
However, gender norms are not a uniquely American thing. And it’s kind of weird to act like they are.
Also, someone posting some good advice online doesn’t need to be a profound realization. Sometimes it’s just someone sharing a good idea. You come across in these comments as rather pretentious.
My spouse once told me that she hadn’t been allowed to play Risk because it was a boy’s game. Apparently as a child she had been sent “back to the kitchen” to help with “women’s chores” while the menfolk played strategy board games.
I didn’t shed a tear when her dad passed. And neither did she.
My grandpa and my father in law were never taught how to cook.
My grandpa could make porridge and sandwiches. My father in law can grill, but that’s it. My dad doesn’t even grill.
There are definitely households where cooking is seen as feminine and boys aren’t encouraged.
Thankfully my family is full of excellent cooks and all of my brothers and I love to cook. Some of my favourite memories of holidays were cooking with my mom before Christmas Eve so we didn’t have to cook until Boxing Day. I think the cooking part was better than the eating part, we had a full on hors d’oeuvre assembly line.
Sometimes I forget that I am from a different culture. I’m European. You are likely Americans. Online discourse is dominantly American. So when people say shit sometimes, it makes no sense from my point of view, because we were not raised under whatever conditions you have suffered under.
I’m not bashing Americans. I kind of like Americans to a degree. But you’re weird man. Sorry, sometimes it’s hard to keep up with your day to day grievances. My bad. Maybe what the post says needs to be said.
I’m Canadian, but there’s a lot of overlap culturally. I have American cousins.
Totally agree this is weird. I don’t think it’s as much of an issue these days but you still have perks who feel a woman’s place is in the kitchen (generally they’re shit people).
My mom’s side is québécois and the culture around these things is much more sensible with them.
I have nothing against division of labor. In my family, my father cooked, and my mother worked (he worked too but mom worked harder and basically made the brunt of the income in our family), and that was expected, accepted, and agreed upon. In any relationship, people have duties that don’t overlap, because it’s more efficient and functional.
I get that the post is about some sort of passive aggressive general outrage against what I guess is misogyny, but I feel it’s just misplaced in this case and a bit self indulgent, like, what she is saying is really “look at me, I made this major cultural discovery, and I would like to both announce it to the world how great I am, as well as admonish those who don’t do it”.
It’s not the message, it’s the smugness that gets fucking annoying, because I bet that person does a lot of shit others would consider bad parenting or being straight up immoral, and it irks other people like me.
I don’t have anything against division of labor, that’s totally natural. I don’t like people who believe that cooking is for girls and women only or that mentality.
My dad never learned to cook, clean, or take care of his own hair/clothes. He had 7 sisters who were all taught that taking care of the boys and the house was their main duty in life. None of those sisters ever touched a hammer or a wrench.
His dad never learned to cook, clean, or take care of himself in any way. He had 4 sisters who were all taught that taking care of the boys and the house was their main duty in life. None of those sisters ever touched a hammer or a wrench.
I have two boys - they were taught to cook and clean and take care of themselves. And once they had that basic stuff down they were taught the hammer and wrench.
Who doesn’t do that? What a weird assumption.
Lots of people. I don’t think it’s a weird assumption at all.
Edited for typo
This post is basically someone saying “boys and girls are the same!”.
It’s a truism disguised as some sort of profound realization.
Edit: Sorry, I realized this is probably posted by an American. Other cultures work differently. Easy to forget, most online is American.
Well, the post mentions Thanksgiving, and since it’s not October anymore, it’s safe to some the OOP is talking about American Thanksgiving, so they are addressing Americans primarily, yes.
However, gender norms are not a uniquely American thing. And it’s kind of weird to act like they are.
Also, someone posting some good advice online doesn’t need to be a profound realization. Sometimes it’s just someone sharing a good idea. You come across in these comments as rather pretentious.
The majority of humanity as this is a global gender norm
Well I guess her post caters to her audience.
In my family, all the men would watch football and get drunk while all the women were in the kitchen cooking the feast.
Even as a young boy I thought that was pretty gross.
My spouse once told me that she hadn’t been allowed to play Risk because it was a boy’s game. Apparently as a child she had been sent “back to the kitchen” to help with “women’s chores” while the menfolk played strategy board games.
I didn’t shed a tear when her dad passed. And neither did she.
Would anyone in your family have read this post and changed their ways?
Seems unlikely.
My grandpa and my father in law were never taught how to cook.
My grandpa could make porridge and sandwiches. My father in law can grill, but that’s it. My dad doesn’t even grill.
There are definitely households where cooking is seen as feminine and boys aren’t encouraged.
Thankfully my family is full of excellent cooks and all of my brothers and I love to cook. Some of my favourite memories of holidays were cooking with my mom before Christmas Eve so we didn’t have to cook until Boxing Day. I think the cooking part was better than the eating part, we had a full on hors d’oeuvre assembly line.
Sometimes I forget that I am from a different culture. I’m European. You are likely Americans. Online discourse is dominantly American. So when people say shit sometimes, it makes no sense from my point of view, because we were not raised under whatever conditions you have suffered under.
I’m not bashing Americans. I kind of like Americans to a degree. But you’re weird man. Sorry, sometimes it’s hard to keep up with your day to day grievances. My bad. Maybe what the post says needs to be said.
I’m Canadian, but there’s a lot of overlap culturally. I have American cousins.
Totally agree this is weird. I don’t think it’s as much of an issue these days but you still have perks who feel a woman’s place is in the kitchen (generally they’re shit people).
My mom’s side is québécois and the culture around these things is much more sensible with them.
I have nothing against division of labor. In my family, my father cooked, and my mother worked (he worked too but mom worked harder and basically made the brunt of the income in our family), and that was expected, accepted, and agreed upon. In any relationship, people have duties that don’t overlap, because it’s more efficient and functional.
I get that the post is about some sort of passive aggressive general outrage against what I guess is misogyny, but I feel it’s just misplaced in this case and a bit self indulgent, like, what she is saying is really “look at me, I made this major cultural discovery, and I would like to both announce it to the world how great I am, as well as admonish those who don’t do it”.
It’s not the message, it’s the smugness that gets fucking annoying, because I bet that person does a lot of shit others would consider bad parenting or being straight up immoral, and it irks other people like me.
That was the point.
I don’t have anything against division of labor, that’s totally natural. I don’t like people who believe that cooking is for girls and women only or that mentality.
That’s fair. I don’t understand it at all as most top chefs in the world are men.
:P
I’m just messing with you, but no, I mean what even is that, men can cook.
My dad never learned to cook, clean, or take care of his own hair/clothes. He had 7 sisters who were all taught that taking care of the boys and the house was their main duty in life. None of those sisters ever touched a hammer or a wrench.
His dad never learned to cook, clean, or take care of himself in any way. He had 4 sisters who were all taught that taking care of the boys and the house was their main duty in life. None of those sisters ever touched a hammer or a wrench.
I have two boys - they were taught to cook and clean and take care of themselves. And once they had that basic stuff down they were taught the hammer and wrench.
My extended family was like this during my childhood
My bad, I presumed that their culture works the same as mine. I guess it’s a bigger problem with you guys than with us.