It’s like the man who only starts caring about women’s rights after he has a daughter. Like, ok, I guess it’s nice that you’ve come around, but you couldn’t have exhibited basic humanity earlier? ffs you presumably had a mother, a wife/girlfriend, sister, female cousin, female friends, female coworkers so even if you require a personal connection, couldn’t you have gotten there earlier?
They don’t actually care about women’s rights, they just want to protect their property. And of course, they’re constantly lusting over young girls, so by means of projection, they assume that everyone else is too.
I know an ultra-conservative who suddenly cared about gay rights after his daughter came out. I’m sure the timing was entirely coincidental.
That’s Leagues better than the alternate, at least they showed growth.
But theres a systemic selfishness about “I don’t care unless it directly affects me or my loved ones”.
True, but I’d also like to add that he only cared about gay rights for his daughter. The rest of them can get fucked, apparently.
How would gay rights for only a single person even work?
You must suspend logic in order to understand the conservative.
They are just selfish.
Things only matter if they affect them
Well, that’s certainly better than remaining homophobic and disowning his daughter, which is the story we most often hear, sadly…
God forbid we have empathy for those brought up in shitty environments and learn.
It’s good they they grown. But it’s more of a “about fucking time” rather than “thank you for becoming less of a cunt”
You might as well start chanting #AllMenAreMisogynists
Should I? I don’t think that’s what I said.
BTW, I didn’t dislike your comment
That’s fine. I didn’t dislike yours either. I just don’t know what point you were trying to make. Because my point was essentially “a certain kind of (predominantly conservative) man is very sexist and they only learn that sexism is Bad Actually after they have a daughter”. Which is a far cry from what you suggested.
The kicker is that disabled infrastructure also helps you now if you aren’t disabled. Ever acknowledged the existence of lowered curbs at intersections?
There’s no reason not to improve our infrastructure
Same energy as people who don’t understand how people can be good without the threat of eternal damnation to keep them in line
“What keeps you from raping and murdering people??”
“I…have no desire to? Do you?”
The amount of religious people that earnestly answer “yes” to that retort confirms for me that religion is a poison
I lost a friend to religion because he said he couldn’t work out his morals and couldn’t figure out what his values should be.
What was happening is that his family were supporting Trump mindlessly, but he felt uncomfortable with it because he has a young daughter and feels really apprehensive about Trump’s history and allegations among other things.
So his solution? Turn to Christ. His family’s Church said that Trump is chosen by God, so he can now support Trump without a conflict of conscience as long as he “allows the Lord into his heart” so he turned from a cool guy who liked games and rock music and goth chicks to weird, straight-edge, “clean living” disciple of Christ who doesn’t stop preaching and trying to convert everyone around him.
Yes, that was literally his reasoning and his solution, and he is fine with it. This is the average American median voter.
Just popping in to say this is also the key difference between Lawrence Kohlberg’s 5th and 6th Stages of Moral Development.
What most people don’t know about it is that not everyone will actually reach the 6th Stage. It’s more of an opt-in. The vast majority of society functions at around the 5th (probably much lower these days).
So if you fall outside this category, you’re likely far more emotionally developed and matured than the average person.
Kudos
I am fairly confident everyone I know IRL operates at stage 1-3? Where do you live, I want to move.
Everyone should care about accessibility, because it also improves things for non-disabled people.
Literally the curb cut effect
“No-one ever complains about too many elevators”
Taking the lift when you can easily manage the stairs is a waste of energy and contributes to global toastiness. Also, it’s hard enough to get enough physical activity in, the stairs is like a free mini workout!
Sure. If you need a selfish reason, most accessibility features end up helping everyone else too!
Voice assistants, curb ramps, audio books, subtitles, etc
Curcut effect is like real life phisical manifestation of karma.
Do good stuff for people who need it, and that thing will also benefit you directly.
When the latter doesn’t trigger the empathy, I resort to the former. Some people are just too focused on their immediate surroundings to extend their empathy beyond their immediate family. That’s an issue in itself, but whatever discussion is going on in OP is not going to address that
Of course, but that is not how our species’ brains work, so take the positivity you can get.
Sure, but you aren’t going to convince selfish people with that argument.
You know, the ones who need to be convinced?
They are the ones that need some sense whopped into them.
That’s like needing god to be good.
The pragmatic part of me doesn’t care how they get to the correct outcome. There are plenty of people who don’t, with or without god.
Do you get compassionate people if you whop them?
Compassionate implies intent as well as behavior. But intent can never be really known. If correct behavior is achieved by them fearing God, loving God, compassion, or the pragmatic understanding that their behavior is going to cause damage to society and make their lives uncomfortable is pretty hard to judge from the outside, so I’ll focus on the behavior. I’d prefer the more altruistic reasons, but I have only poor tools to make that assessment.
You could also improve your tooling.
There’s 8 billion people in this world and I can only impact a few of them. Whopping them isn’t a tool I prefer or tend to use, but I also recognize that it’s the only tool some on the side of behaving decently have or some people respond to.
I don’t think it is about equality but more equity
Both of those terms might as well be ancient Pharaoh curses to the average modern American median voter.
Some people don’t have empathy so they need to adopt that first argument as their ethos. Well more often than not, they don’t even do that.
Also accessibility makes life easier for anyone, even if noone were disabled.
New parents, old people and people on their phone walking all want accessibility.
Not just that, they deserve the same rights and respect as you.
Booth + more good arguments
