Yeah, they (OP or whoever told OP about it) probably started reading the paper with a predetermined conclusion and read until they found the data that “supported” it.
Yeah, this. They don’t want to know facts. They are actively resisting reality. Doesn’t matter that ~40 people per million per two doses had adverse effects to the vaccine and most likely recovered just fine while hundreds of thousands got sick and died from the disease and who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
An estimated 7 million deaths since 2020. About 250 deaths a week in the US on an ongoing basis. And that is just deaths, not serious sickness or long term consequences after being sick.
who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
There is nothing “Concrete” at all in your claim. In fact, the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination. If we actually interpret what the data says we should note that the largest increases in risk is after the second dose, and points out that timing of the vaccination is probably a factor. In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated. If anything, waiting longer after a covid infection or not giving the second dose would more closely align any adverse effects with the general population.
That’s literally the whole point of trials for vaccines, to determine if they work and what the side effects there are if any. Public health officials then use that data to determine if, how and when to distribute the vaccines based on of those risks of the vaccine outweigh the public health risks of the continued diseas spread
In a global pandemic when millions of people are dying, a 1/10000 risk of reduced quality of life that helps 10/10000 people not die of the pandemic disease and another 100/10000 not experience reduced quality of life from the pandemic disease is pretty easy numbers to say “yes roll it out” because the benefits far outweigh the risks
This is a hobby with flat Earthers, MAGA, and antivaxxers. They make weird shit up and then pretend to believe it. Numerology. Conspiracy theories. They dont think there is any harm in it and like to troll “the libs” and debate them to waste everyone’s time. The bad thing is that you get a portion of them that start truly believing these tales … we have a few dozen holding US offices now.
i remember the days before conservatives antivaxxers took over the sub, right befor trump was elected. you can actually have a conversation with them, without having them doubling down.
They aren’t struggling with comprehension, they are being deliberate about misrepresenting the facts.
Most likely both
Yeah, they (OP or whoever told OP about it) probably started reading the paper with a predetermined conclusion and read until they found the data that “supported” it.
They “did their own research”
Yeah, this. They don’t want to know facts. They are actively resisting reality. Doesn’t matter that ~40 people per million per two doses had adverse effects to the vaccine and most likely recovered just fine while hundreds of thousands got sick and died from the disease and who knows how many survived because they were vaccinated.
An estimated 7 million deaths since 2020. About 250 deaths a week in the US on an ongoing basis. And that is just deaths, not serious sickness or long term consequences after being sick.
We dont know, but we can estimate. COVID-19 vaccinations averted between 1.4 to 4 million deaths during 2020-2024.
There is concrete evidence that young men should not have been boosted if they had already been infected.
Show the concrete evidence.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.059970
And
Sweden, Denmark pause Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups | Reuters
There is nothing “Concrete” at all in your claim. In fact, the study makes sure to point out the value of vaccination. If we actually interpret what the data says we should note that the largest increases in risk is after the second dose, and points out that timing of the vaccination is probably a factor. In no way does it say that younger men should not be vaccinated. If anything, waiting longer after a covid infection or not giving the second dose would more closely align any adverse effects with the general population.
I did not mention the value of vaccination
And in no way did I say that. I said young men should not be boosted, I.e. second dose.
No, you said there was “concrete evidence” that “young men should not have been boosted”.
That is opinion, and the study makes no corroborating claim to not vaccinate or boost.
Ironically you are having a failure of comprehension in a thread about failure of comprehension.
I suggest you carefully reread the claim made and the evidence provided.
That’s literally the whole point of trials for vaccines, to determine if they work and what the side effects there are if any. Public health officials then use that data to determine if, how and when to distribute the vaccines based on of those risks of the vaccine outweigh the public health risks of the continued diseas spread
In a global pandemic when millions of people are dying, a 1/10000 risk of reduced quality of life that helps 10/10000 people not die of the pandemic disease and another 100/10000 not experience reduced quality of life from the pandemic disease is pretty easy numbers to say “yes roll it out” because the benefits far outweigh the risks
Right. And the paper I linked to shows that for men <40 the side effects of a second dose outweigh the risks of skipping the booster.
This is likely why Sweden, Denmark paused Moderna COVID-19 vaccine for younger age groups
This is a hobby with flat Earthers, MAGA, and antivaxxers. They make weird shit up and then pretend to believe it. Numerology. Conspiracy theories. They dont think there is any harm in it and like to troll “the libs” and debate them to waste everyone’s time. The bad thing is that you get a portion of them that start truly believing these tales … we have a few dozen holding US offices now.
Yeah, we should invent new words for this, they aren’t stupid, they weaponise stupidity for their own gains.
That word is disinformation
They know it’s a lie, they’re posting it anyway because they think the ends justify the means
What they post/say is misinformation but the act of doing it knowingly, “shamelessly trying to fuck you over” is what I can come up with.
misinformation is posting incorrect information accidentally
disinformation is posting incorrect information intentionally
Yeah you’re right, but “disinforming” just doesn’t sound like bad enough.
i remember the days before conservatives antivaxxers took over the sub, right befor trump was elected. you can actually have a conversation with them, without having them doubling down.