Who is going to be blamed for Europe’s pain and suffering? Are they going to wake up and realize they’ve been played or are they going to go into mouth frothing revenge campaign?

Permanent was in Europe seems inevitable.

I mean either Europeans(I am not talking about mercenaries) will be sent to die in Ukraine, to defend Odessa f.ex or something will happen to spread the conflict across more borders (less likely scenario).

A lot of people say that Europeans have no will to die for UA, so it won’t happen, but there’s a large chunk of Reserve Army of Labor who are brimming with nihilism and hopelessness + being propagandized by all sorts of shit. Everybody wants to kill somebody, there’s like no peace movement. It’s incredibly demoralizing.

Yeah I think they the compradors will sacrifice us to the conveyer belt, because that’s gonna be the only way to get their fix of IMF loans. Hopefully it results in the rest of the world pushing itself even further away and they can build something better.

I really hope nobody makes the mistake of trying to save us again. Just let the events play out so we have nobody else to blame.

While fascism is usually acknowledged as antithetical to liberalism.

Well yeah it makes complete sense because they’re fratricidal ideologies: both deriving from Monarchy. They are historical responses to the collapse of monarchy and the emergence of the working class as a political force. They are attempts to manage the collision between the interests of labor and the interests of capital.

Liberalism tries to manage it through compromise and consent. Fascism tries to manage it through force and suppression. But both are ultimately about preserving the same thing: the power of those who make others work.

They are both against collectivization. It’s a permanent war for power against power. They hate each other, but they need each other, because they hate everything that stands against them. So they believe that human beings simply cannot understand each other and they never will. They believe that peace is a coincidence and love is a miracle.

I grew up in a really depressing environment with vandalism, crime and all sorts of bad stuff happening, due to post-neoliberal shock therapy. Which pushed me to subscribe to somethin akin to Legalism - People are selfish and we need a stronger state to keep us safe from each other.

As I grew up and learned more I figured that punishment in and of itself doesn’t achieve healthy long term changes. I kept questioning things and eventually arrived back to Marx. (I’ve read children books about Lenin and also about Pavel Korchagin, but the world I grew up in was so miserable socialism seemed genuinely impossible, it read like a pipe dream.)

I don’t currently use any labels, mostly because I’ve been quite isolated to be honest. Which is understandable since I am not exactly socially adjusted and so most people are wary of me, find me uncomfortable to be around. If I had to self describe I would say: An aspirant trying to make the best interpretation of the world I live in and it’s history, how to use that information to change it for the better. Dialectical-materialism has been immeasurably practical in keeping my hope’s up, because it let’s me realize how people’s disregard and indifferent towards me is actually a keen asset, putting myself in a position where I am able to do things an admirable person who’s loved can’t.

At the same time I recognize that this really isn’t socialism it’s more like self-sacrificial egalitarianism, with the hope that people in the future might see socialism as a feasible option.