Pick it up, dust it off, eat.

Ah yes. This island earth.

What’s the smallest section of earth you would think could thrive in this scenario?

I think Iceland is a strong choice. It has power and rare earth resources

not everyone is using piefed.

And if everyone was using piefed that merges cross posts, this war against instances makes even less sense.

Lemmy as a social media discussion forum is about human attention. The economy of success on lemmy is curating a audience and having their attention both in terms of voting, but more importantly, in terms of discussions.

Competition between communities is healthy and good

• Better content
• Better curation
• Better community (welcoming, etc)

Trying to “boycott” or starve out other communities by making them “redundant” by burning out human attention on lemmy is bad for everyone

• Lemmy feels empty
• Repetition of content is wasting people’s time
• Dividing the conversation drives people away

If you hate a community, make a better community, don’t try to burn out everyone who likes the old community.

Just because I wasn’t the target of a bully doesn’t mean I can’t identify a bully being a bully

Content shouldn’t be crossposted between communities

At least not systematically, and not within a day of the original posting (so if something becomes topical)

First community to post a content have “authorship” of that content

It’s not a dibs system, so organic collisions where two people really want to talk about something is fine. just systematic reposting of EVERYTHING from people without their consent isn’t good for lemmy.

Communities that repost content from other communities should be closed. Admins should close communities that do so.

Not closed, the reposters should be be given opportunities to transition to their own content.

People will have to subscribe to all the similar communities on one topic to follow all posts related to that topic

That is a direct aspect of the lemmy model, until such a time as themed communities becomes protocol level. The only way to not have to do this is kill any similar community before it grows.

That goes against the fundamental notion that everyone can start a community. Who decides what communities should stay, and which one should not? At the moment, people vote with their participation, everybody makes their own choices. What alternative do you suggest?

Isn’t this exactly what we are talking about? Trying to top post another community is stealing interaction, and a method of influencing which communities should not stay.

As long as you do not go to an instance that blacklists lemmy.ml, I’m fine.

… isn’t the one of the main rationales for the top posting because ml is blocked on many instances?

Fair enough, as long as your happy to keep priming the content pump. There will be some posters who washout from such tactics.

Let’s take the opposite extreme. Suppose I really dislike a community and I don’t want it to grow. I could make a bunch of similar communities all over the fediverse. Every time someone posts to the target community I could copy it to a new community every 15m making it look like spam, and diluting any community interaction. Basically I could dry out the human interaction by dosing the content.

If we set the norm that top posting other people’s content systematically isn’t very Lemmy, then we would be in a good place to defend against such dilution.

Sure, some front ends like piefed may help, but not everyone is going to be using those front ends

Is your desire to concentrate people’s interaction to favored instances greater then the agency of the contents original poster?

I don’t think it’s good for Lemmy as I outlined above. Give people informed choice, but respect their agency

I gave you feedback about top posting movie content before.

I think it robs the original poster of interaction. If you reached out offering change and they didn’t engage you have your answer

As you said there is infinite content on the internet to import into Lemmy, no reason to steal the interactions from a small lemmy.world poster

If you must do it then it’s good you used the cross post feature so there is some connection back to the original poster.

So in this scenario the lw movie poster didn’t get enough engagement on their content and left… That’s a net negative for Lemmy

Not always and they dont use the cross post mechanic.

There is a extremely good reason not to use a privacy community that forbids talking about cryptography.

We have had this discussion many times. Pretending it doesn’t matter is just being obtuse at this point.

If you want to block ml then you made a choice to also give up it’s content.

The ml posters are aware of other instances.

Everyone is free to use a instance that federates how they like. If people choose an exclusionary instance then they can’t complain they are missing posts from something excluded.

I absofuckinglutely mind seeing redundant content in my feed. It makes Lemmy feel empty

yeah, that is exactly who is causing the pain. I was blissfully ignorant of it, until someone explained their grevience and I labeled them in voyager as a jacker, and now I see how duplicative and bad for lemmy they make everybody’s experience.

Broadly I agree, I don’t want to come to Lemmy to just have an RSS reader. I want to have conversations.

I think every post should be by a human, to have a conversation about something.

Let’s say you make a niche post about a programming feature

2-6 hours later someone copies your post exactly but doesn’t cross post. Now people browsing by New see the copy first and if they do see the original it feels redundant/ spammy.

If people do talk about this niche thing it’s likely they won’t be talking in the same place.

You as the poster won’t see the engagement with your content, you won’t see comments, and you may be less incentivized to post again

If it absolutely must be copied then the cross post mechanism should be used.

We literally have reposting bots for hackernews, reddit, Twitter, etc. It’s nearly infinite content out there.

Hurting Lemmy users makes it harder to grow the platform