I think there’s a reasonable chance that the European Council will push for it, Commission makes a proposal and that it will pas through Parliament and the Council of the EU. Probably not within a year but three or four maybe?

And then it will be taken to the courts. People and organisations will fight this and it’s likely we will win, especially with this verdict in our back pocket.

By that time, who knows what EU leadership and global politics will look like?

The EPP has no integrity, that’s their biggest problem imo. They just move where it’s politically most convenient hence they’re now rubbing against the far-right. In the past they were more in the centre as that was were they could find majorities (and power) which made them less problematic. Under current circumstances I’d be glad if that’s where they ended up again for a few years, though I’d rather see them decimated.

But, yes, the infiltration of big tech in the EU and its power centres is extremely problematic as well and I don’t quite understand why we allow them that power (I mean, I do but…).

This is really good news and part of the verdict may also prove valuable in the fight for privacy rights and against chat control.

Both courts of the CJEU have shown again and again not to fear ruling against nations and EU institutions and by extension move the European project forward unlike the four political institutions (Commission, both Councils and Parliament). They also actually seem to know what they’re talking about.

In the fight against chat control I had partial faith in Parliament until Metsola started torturing the rules and manufactured an outcome last week. I do still have faith in the courts and I think, hope, ultimately that’s where this fight will be won.

This is true, but VDL has pulled an enormous amount of power to herself (not to the Commission - to herself) and when it comes to these matters (the US trade ‘deal’ is another good example) she has a lot of influence even if she operates under a Council mandate. I am not sure how big her influence is in the Council, she’s a member but without voting rights.

Most of our national leaders are letting us down again and again, indeed.

I strongly believe in the ideas and ideals in the EU, I just wish our leaders did as well.

I’m not sure how many more ways VDL et al can find to sell us out to the US - every single time and neither to our benefit nor in good faith. Even strategically and politically this seems like an exceptionally bad move.

It’s absurd how little control we have over our own data even while we have the legislation in place.

Thanks. I absolutely want to be active but I also am still figuring out a bit how things work here. I’m rather just part of the community than a ‘powerful force’, also feels a bit rude to take that on as a newcomer.

But I’m around and all the time I used to spend (lose?) on Reddit has to go somewhere…

The only reason for me to be on Reddit is because that’s where the people are. While the European subs, and some others, were generally positive with interesting people there’s of course a lot wrong with the platform.

More generally, I actively try to support European platforms but they tend to be far less populated.

As for specific communities - I can’t join you in a football one as I know nothing about it. Beyond that, it’s a bit exploring for me what’s there.

I know Reddit has pulled a bunch of tricks over the last few years making the platform ever less appealing. Sadly, most people won’t move once they’re stuck in their ways and platforms abuse that. Cory Doctorow has a word for that.

I hope to contribute my bit but it’s not just me I hope.