Where do you think those billionaires got their money?
spoiler
Its all Someone Else’s Money
New York as a whole has ridiculous taxes because of insane police budgets and corruption allowing stuff like ambulance companies charging the state 3K/trip for non-emergency weekly dialysis visits.
Which is weirdly similar to California which you’d think was a communist utopia the way rightwingers talk about it.
Jeff Bezos started Amazon and worked to expand it for decades. The company didn’t make a profit for something like 20 years (but kept raising money and expanding). Sounds like labor to me
Profit can be distorted based on how much personnel are being paid.
If you’re seriously trying to argue Bezos earned his wealth, then you’re part of the problem and I hope more people hold you socially accountable for it.
The difference between the wealth they created and the wealth they received was still the product of their labor, not Jeff Bezos. Do you think Lockheed shareholders got us to the moon, and not ya know, the engineers and scientists?
Problem is by now, I don’t get that thing anymore. i get a freaking licence to use it for some time, and when you decide I don’t own that licence anymore you got my money and I have nothing
I do where I can, but often it is not possible to
a) find something you can actually buy, and call it your own.
b) you still don’t know if the creator t turns a darth vader on you and tells you “I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it further”
And the best thing: uf they brick it or move features behind a paywall (with an update after you “bought” it) and you circumvent their “security” to restore the function YOU are the criminal. Nice thing isn’t it?
If you buy a thing that relies on a service, you didn’t really buy it. That’s why I buy stuff like the steam deck that I can run any OS on. I refuse to buy a device I don’t own
I try to as well…but it really reduces options. E.g. I do try to source my eBooks and audiobooks without DRM and theres a lot of stuff you can’t get that way, so the only way to actually buy them is to “buy” them on a platform (e.g. audible) and use 3rd party tools to remove the drm (which is against their ToC)
Also a lot of corporate tools are moving to cloud only, windows, office365, atlassian, adobe etc. and unfortunately, it’s not easy to get the higher ups to see the issues with that
And it’s not only services. Everything with an internet connection can be altered…e.g. HP updated their printerfirmware to not longer allow non-HP ink cartridges (and no I don’t own an HP). Bambu lab closed their api, preventing the users to use 3rd-party tools. Theoretically valve could close down your bootloader and then you’re fucked (they probably won’t, but still, the point stands)
Do you think drug users should be in prison? Wage theft is greater than all other theft, combined. Do you think its a better use of limited police resources to go after shoplifters instead of following up on the millions of sexual assault cases?
Hint: its not the leftist policy that damaged communities to the extent people turn to drug use, nor is it leftist policy that left people poor and/or disenfranchised by society test they turn to petty theft.
No, but they should not be able to use in public. Who said anything about prison? Other cities have been able to keep them off the streets just fine.
Just because wage theft is a problem, doesn’t mean petty theft is not a problem. While they are stealing a $100 tablet, they might break your car window that costs $300 to repair. How is this not something that the police should take care of?
I define it as something not much different than fascism. For me the main differences between these are the nationalist and globalist difference, fascism being national socialism and communism being globalist socialism.
I know the official definition of communism is just the owning of the means of production by the state which could be true but beside that there is always an elite of individuals which are in control and have a particular interest in controlling everyone else’s lives for the good of “the proletariat” but more for their own interests.
So national socialism is a more localized doctrine and globalist socialism is a more global doctrine.
Slightly more insidious than that is the attempt to conflate ‘socialism’ with ‘national socialism’, i.e. the Nazis. Seemingly every five minutes someone tries to conflate the two despite being on opposite sides of the political spectrum, hence the bullshit pseudoscience that is “horseshoe theory”.
Then everything is community property and serves the interests of the community, instead of private interests, like functioning to increase qol and move us towards a post-work-to-live society.
Communism is fun until there is no more someone else’s money for free handouts.
I adapted it but it’s still valid I guess.
Expect companies to flee the state just as happened in LA.
Where do you think those billionaires got their money?
spoiler
Its all Someone Else’s Money
New York as a whole has ridiculous taxes because of insane police budgets and corruption allowing stuff like ambulance companies charging the state 3K/trip for non-emergency weekly dialysis visits.
Which is weirdly similar to California which you’d think was a communist utopia the way rightwingers talk about it.
If I sell you a thing, it’s no longer your money, it’s my money. You get a thing that is now your thing.
Do you think billionaires got their money through their own labor?
Jeff Bezos started Amazon and worked to expand it for decades. The company didn’t make a profit for something like 20 years (but kept raising money and expanding). Sounds like labor to me
Profit can be distorted based on how much personnel are being paid.
If you’re seriously trying to argue Bezos earned his wealth, then you’re part of the problem and I hope more people hold you socially accountable for it.
Do you think the millions of underpaid workers had anything to do with it?
They were paid the wage they signed the contract for. Underpaid scoring to whom?
The difference between the wealth they created and the wealth they received was still the product of their labor, not Jeff Bezos. Do you think Lockheed shareholders got us to the moon, and not ya know, the engineers and scientists?
If employees create negative wealth because the project fails, do they have to pay it back?
Oh, you only want employees to have 100% of the profit, with 0% of any loss
Problem is by now, I don’t get that thing anymore. i get a freaking licence to use it for some time, and when you decide I don’t own that licence anymore you got my money and I have nothing
Then purchase said thing if you don’t like it
I do where I can, but often it is not possible to
a) find something you can actually buy, and call it your own. b) you still don’t know if the creator t turns a darth vader on you and tells you “I’m altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it further”
And the best thing: uf they brick it or move features behind a paywall (with an update after you “bought” it) and you circumvent their “security” to restore the function YOU are the criminal. Nice thing isn’t it?
If you buy a thing that relies on a service, you didn’t really buy it. That’s why I buy stuff like the steam deck that I can run any OS on. I refuse to buy a device I don’t own
I try to as well…but it really reduces options. E.g. I do try to source my eBooks and audiobooks without DRM and theres a lot of stuff you can’t get that way, so the only way to actually buy them is to “buy” them on a platform (e.g. audible) and use 3rd party tools to remove the drm (which is against their ToC)
Also a lot of corporate tools are moving to cloud only, windows, office365, atlassian, adobe etc. and unfortunately, it’s not easy to get the higher ups to see the issues with that
And it’s not only services. Everything with an internet connection can be altered…e.g. HP updated their printerfirmware to not longer allow non-HP ink cartridges (and no I don’t own an HP). Bambu lab closed their api, preventing the users to use 3rd-party tools. Theoretically valve could close down your bootloader and then you’re fucked (they probably won’t, but still, the point stands)
And again
Amazon prevents you to
Great, those are closed source programs and I avoid them anyway.
I can pirate the stuff that is not available without drm because fck drm.
I only support companies that are pro-consumer and valve had earned my trust.
It’s easier to make money if you have money.
Only time will let us know what will happen.
Weakest disengage ever… You can do better!
Do you want to make any testable predictions, which would cause you to reevaluate your model if they don’t pass?
This isn’t communism and social programs are a net positive in the long run. California is doing fine.
Narrator: California was not doing fine.
I’m from California, leftists fucked up San Francisco
What leftist policy did San Francisco pass that fucked it up?
They let people use drugs outside and didn’t crack down on shoplifting or people breaking into cars
Do you think drug users should be in prison? Wage theft is greater than all other theft, combined. Do you think its a better use of limited police resources to go after shoplifters instead of following up on the millions of sexual assault cases?
Hint: its not the leftist policy that damaged communities to the extent people turn to drug use, nor is it leftist policy that left people poor and/or disenfranchised by society test they turn to petty theft.
No, but they should not be able to use in public. Who said anything about prison? Other cities have been able to keep them off the streets just fine.
Just because wage theft is a problem, doesn’t mean petty theft is not a problem. While they are stealing a $100 tablet, they might break your car window that costs $300 to repair. How is this not something that the police should take care of?
nimbys fucked up san fransisco, so they can charge people 1-2k/month to live out of tents in their backyards
Both can be true at the same time
I’m curious, what’s your definition of communism?
Read about the horseshoe theory and you will know it.
We’re asking what YOU define as communism.
I define it as something not much different than fascism. For me the main differences between these are the nationalist and globalist difference, fascism being national socialism and communism being globalist socialism.
I know the official definition of communism is just the owning of the means of production by the state which could be true but beside that there is always an elite of individuals which are in control and have a particular interest in controlling everyone else’s lives for the good of “the proletariat” but more for their own interests.
So national socialism is a more localized doctrine and globalist socialism is a more global doctrine.
Ask a lib to describe communism and they describe capitalism.
Slightly more insidious than that is the attempt to conflate ‘socialism’ with ‘national socialism’, i.e. the Nazis. Seemingly every five minutes someone tries to conflate the two despite being on opposite sides of the political spectrum, hence the bullshit pseudoscience that is “horseshoe theory”.
Libs: I just shit my pants. Both the communists and the nazis are trying to avoid me. That’s because they’re actually the same.
Then start taking their property and give it to the community of people who are running it anyways.
What about when there is no more someone else’s property left to “give to the community”?
Then everything is community property and serves the interests of the community, instead of private interests, like functioning to increase qol and move us towards a post-work-to-live society.
There’s the door then! points toward New Jersey
Lol a fucking mgtow 😂
Rhetoric like this is why the disparity in wealth continues to grow.
The problem isn’t even our rulers; it’s useful idiots.