next time I hear “there is just too many (brown) people” i swear
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I said nothing of the sort. But I ask once again: If we execute these 90 people, will that make us stop burning oil? Is it at least a helpful step down the path of stopping to burn oil?
If not, then please just don’t act as though these 90 people are all we have to overcome to save the planet.
Of course something will happen. If the bosses or big corporations would be killed constantly, the next in line would be thinking about changing things. Just remember Luigi.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/health/luigi-mangione-healthcare-accessibility-impact-288343
It costs 7.5% of GDP to halt climate change.
But each 12.5% of GDP is lost per +1°C
The problem is that the people who need to pay are not the people who will be most affected.
Soon you are ready to realise that no, they are sock puppets of what is essentially a giant demonic entity that is Immortal and Controls human and replaces these humans when they misbehave or malfunction
And it’s name is Greed.
I call it Mammon and it lives inside the minds of every capitalist. Every worker who believes in markets, in states, in police, in corporations. We must kill the capitalist in the heads of every worker.
From Wikipedia “Mammon (Aramaic: מָמוֹנָא, māmōnā) in the New Testament is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain.”
More or less the same thing, I reckon, but Mammon sounds cooler, so I’ll defer to your’s.
I specifically refer to megachurches and “prosperity” Christians as Mammonites.
IMO killing them is the only way to have any real change. It’s the very first step in any plan. We must get rid of the existing filth, before we can build anything new.
No, it’s not the only step, but it’s the biggest and most difficult and most impactful.
As the saying goes “you can’t polish a turd”.
Billionaires are turds.
and their customers have nothing to do with it? Does this person just completely not understand what a market is?
Knowing their names doesn’t matter, you cannot make things illegal for specific people nor would that help. You have to write and pass legislature to make it stop, and that’s why we’re at a fucking standstill on everything: a large majority don’t believe in legislature as a basic concept or solution.
They’ll find new executives, bud. Executives are just the lackeys for shareholders and the board of directors. A new one will grow for each one lost.
Giving up hasn’t worked yet.
I’m just saying the aim isn’t the most effective. Shooting someone’s foot certainly will hamper someone, but the pain will go away eventually. Gotta aim for a more lethal part of the body
Ok so not 90 people. But more like 2,000. Still a rounding error that is willfully exterminating the rest.
And?
Make them find new ones. And new ones after that. And after that.
Eventually that well will dry up.
It’s a reminder that large problems are often tied to concentrated power. Holding systems accountable while still pushing for collective change is probably the most constructive path forward.
Say the Americans who consume 3x the energy of other developed nations.
“Jeff bezos forced me to live in the desert and run AC 10 months of the year”
“Bill Gates made me drive my car to get groceries”
“Bring back plastic straws”
“Roll coal, baby!”
I like how the post is about the bus load of rich people that do the most polluting and we started blaming each other. Focus people. Our cars do pollute, but nowhere near as much as a these rich bastards.
Much more, in fact. I did the math a while ago and just plastic straws cover private jets for about a week. Moving half the US traffic from cars to public transport would do marvels for CO2 levels, more than outright banning private jets.
To be fair on those:
- Most people can’t afford to move so if you live in the desert then you’re stuck in the desert even if the living cost would be lower somewhere else post initial moving cost, doubly so if its the only place near your job.
- No the car lobby and US city design did.
- No yeh fuck these people
- Doubly fuck these people.
On one hand, yes, sure, fuck those people, 100%. On the other hand, remember that those people are encouraged and most likely exist only because of disinformation propaganda campaigns designed, promoted and delivered by the same bus load of people. So, you know, perspective.
Exactly. People love to pretend they aren’t part of the problem as they keep their houses at 70 throughout 100° heat, roll car while driving their cars, and order boat loads of temu junk.
Lick those oil exec boots just a little harder and I’m sure they’ll send you an invite to the pedo party.
nobody said oil executives are somehow blameless or ok, it’s just funny to shift literally all blame away from you
They literally conspired to make the entire country not only dependent on their products, but did so knowing the harm those products caused to both the people and environment. The majority of the blame rests there and pretending that any amount of “personal responsibility” needs to be addressed is just so fucking stupid and self-defeating that it practically borders on sabotage. Let’s get mired in blaming each other for our own minuscule, largely involuntary contribution while they keep filling their pockets with our blood.
Let’s get mired in blaming each other for our own minuscule, largely involuntary contribution
Said the snowflake in the blizzard.
You have part of the power. If you are willing to coordinate there will be enough power to change all relevant things.
you’re right dude, the snowflake has all the agency here. not the storm that created it, nor the wind that blows it around. if only it would melt itself then the energy consumed by phase transition would cool the earth in an imperceptibly small way, bringing us that much further away from global warming catastrophe. really, it’s the snowflakes’ fault for selfishly getting frozen in the first place.
Then you are one ray of light that helped to create the pressure difference that caused the storm.
You have free will. You have the power to make change a bit bigger.
Our own minuscule largely involuntary contributions sum up to 20 million barrels of oil per day (in the US) 10 million per day (in the EU) and 17 million (in China).
I don’t think Musk alone is consuming that…
OP is pointing out that most Americans are licking oil exec boots.
Do you have a car with an internal combustion engine? Bootlicker.
If you think paper straws and electric cars are going to save the environment you’re part of the fucking problem. It’s not enough, and it was never going to be. They knew it wouldn’t be when they came up with these things which is why these are the measures that are allowed to be taken. Laws and subsidies that would actually help are instead lobbied out of viability. So we’re left with electric car subsidies making Elon Musk the richest asshole in history and paper straws making everyone hate environmentalism while we still hurtle toward annihilation.
Oil execs are rich, but they aren’t consuming 20 million barrels of oil per day by themselves.
What?
Had a few seconds where I thought “Wired” was referring to the tech magazine and wondered what “Tired” is, who would choose name for their magazine or whatever?
TIRED: A magazine for millenials and Gen X
Kind of. It’s the system they operate under, capitalism.
Get rid of those specific people and you would have others people take their place.
However, not to say that it isn’t worthwhile to also bust out the guillotines
Renewables+nuclear is cheaper and in a truly free market would beat out oil
Cheaper is not the same as more profitable. It’s an important distinction. You can’t own and control the sun and charge people to harvest the energy. Monopolizing and gatekeeping are the end goals of capital owners.
Unless you think the Chinese market is more free. They’re producing solar panels like crazy.
Oil is only profitable for the people producing oil, which is not most people
That’s… the point
Then? More people have the incentive to break from this than not
Let’s take a famous adage of “teach a man to fish” and attempt to demonstrate these two business strategies. Let’s bend this metaphor to the point of breaking. Fish are the analog for energy.
Business model #1: (solar panels) You make fishing poles so that people can fish on the lake for themselves. After you sell someone a pole, you no longer have that person paying you more money unless they break it. It’s a fairly straightforward business that allows people to get their own food.
Business model #2: (oil) You own the lake, you own the boats and fishing poles. You pay people a wage to fish, that are yours too. You pay people to sell your fish, you build infrastructure to wall off the lake. You pay guards a wage to protect your lake from people that want “free fish”. If people want food, you have leverage over people through ownership of all the assets and lake. You can raise prices when you want. As your fish business is successful you buy up all the lakes around and get a monopoly. Maybe you intentionally don’t merge with 1 or 2 other companies to prevent government regulation against monopolies and effectively raise prices in unison (it’s called price leadership). A freer market will just make this control worse and more pronounced. A new fuedalism will emerge of a few kings and serfs that own nothing and rent from people that own.
It’s more expensive, less efficient, less egalitarian, but it will be more profitable because you own it.
OK. Oil is only profitable for a select few people now. Why don’t we rise up in arms to change production and seize the means of production now? More people have incentive to now than not (most people are not oil billionaires), why doesn’t it change?
Coercion through state violence, a propaganda apparatus telling you the only way to structure society is through capitalism, and treats to sedate the masses from revolting against their living conditions.
A magic nebulous “more free” market doesn’t change that.
One path requires a break from capitalism through a mass revolution and the other doesn’t
Would you say the health industry is exactly the same after Luigi?
Exactly? Of course not
Almost exactly? Yes
So if one death changes at least a little bit. Can’t you believe that 100 deaths might change something?
If you bust out the guillotine, the people who replace them will behave as if they’ve seen what happens when the guillotines get busted out.
If only there was like a deck of cards with their faces on it.
https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/
Sometimes I like to gaze lovingly into their faces while writing their names in my diary.
Something to remember about the Forbes List: the most terrible people of all, aren’t even on it. There is a level of wealth that floats above mere billionaires, for which there almost isn’t even a category. Forbes knows not to mention these families in the context of some tawdry popularity contest among nouveau riche Techno Trash. They are mostly centuries old multi-generational wealth like monarchies, the Rothschilds, sheikhs, organized crime families, dictators, etc.
They aren’t on the list, but they hold the real wealth, and more importantly, the real power. Everything else is an illusion of their making.
My understanding of it is that its not really some conspiracy to hide the top wealth; the forbes lists are all opt- in. They reach out to a bunch of Uber wealthy, people, and those who want in send back bios and stats for them to rank and publish.
At least that’s the way it was explained to me. I dated an heiress for a while, and at one point her dad told me hed only ever had his name on the list for one year, and that was as part of the ‘debut campaign’ for his second wife.
Of you look ar the list it makes sense. It’s mostly the new rich, people still seaking validation and status from their wealth, the sociopaths and a lot of the tech bilionaires like elon and zuckerberg who treat it like a competition, and people who benefit from the name recognition and status perception for their company, like all the fashion and design company owners using it to help associate their brands with luxury, and the investment banker types like Bloomberg, ken griffin, etc, who use it to show success of their companies and get other rich people to invest with them.
So, vampires. They’re vampires.
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Imagine if we just locked all the doors and firebombed Davos. Could save humanity in one day of work.
edit: for legal reasons I wish to clarify this is a joke
This is good joke! Very funny that nobody has killed these people! L O L
edit: for legal reasons I wish to clarify this is a joke
Sure {wink!} 😉
Should I be worried that my initial response to this is “Hmm, so we might be able to improve the world with a serendipitously timed anthrax outbreak at the next WEF summit?”
About the response itself? No.
About the situation that made that response understandable? We’re way past “worried”.
I mean, somebody is going to have to do a little terrorism…
Just a little bit, as a treat.
that feels, for some reason, profound.
I mean, sure let it be 200 or 400, 1000. It’s still a rounding error compared to all of humanity.maybe that is why there is a period of prosperity after large wars. The losing side being wiped out reduces that number by half and everyone can breathe a bit more freely.
Those people never die in the wars. The reason there are periods of prosperity after wars is because when many young adults have died, labour has more bargaining power.
damn. somehow my version, which is pretty dark, is still not that dark.
There also tend to be periods of great prosperity following plagues, due to inheritances and what not. But capitalism has made sure to rinse you of every past penny to prevent generational wealth from being passed down to the poors… So that didn’t happen after COVID
Ps. Fuck magnum pi and kurt browning for scamming seniors out of their homes and into reverse mortgages
Wait what did Magnum PI do? We’re not talking about the mustachioed investigator, right?
Yes I’m sure the corporations beneath these people will simply evaporate and everything will go perfectly fine.
If you took out certain key people you would absolutely change the course of history. Probably a certain 5-10. Maybe less. Who? No idea.
Hell, look at all the shit epstein was involved with and think about how much better the world would be if he was baby hitler’d
While killing them would be progress, the real need is a revolution.
100% this, and not an explicitly violent revolution, either. We need to build alternative power structures to replace our heirarchical society. Simply replacing our elites using violence would end up with a new set of elites who are very provably willing to use violence against their enemies. IMO this is one of the major reasons that marxism-leninism has historically yielded authoritarian states, e.g. the USSR.
Their real death will be through obsoletion.
Which I should clarify is already here. They just don’t want us to think that yet cause they invested in a bunch isht that is now obsolete.
It’s all ducken obsolete them fossil fuels is. Don’t get me wrong, a tank of clean propane is dandy for a Sunday grill, but solar’s where it at
I think this is a bit overly optimistic, the ruling class own like 99% of every industry, not just fossil fuels. We can’t just wait for history to take its course, we need to start building a worker-led movement to replace our exploitative heirarchical society, that’s how we can make the ruling class obsolete. We need to get our shit together and actually do a lot of work to achieve this.
