Progressives acknowledging the fact of genocide is a good first step, and it’s useful that Ocasio-Cortez and others have done so — “I think [unconditional aid to Israel] enabled a genocide in Gaza,” she said in Munich — but it is not in and of itself sufficient. Before anyone in the party can move on to selling a post-Biden vision of human-rights-first foreign policy, they must address what accountability for the war criminals in the Biden administration — those who aided, armed, and funded genocide — should look like.

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    The fact is, if you didn’t support motivating the candidate to change their policy on a genocide, you weren’t opposing fascism.

    It follows that you make the arguments you do because you support both the genocide and fascism.

    There was one path to stopping Trump: get Harris to change.

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      Huh, from my perspective, I’m anti-genocide and anti-fascism. On the other hand, you opted to support a platform of “allow the state of America to worsen and deepen further into the pit of authoritarianism so that people die and eventually revolt”, which is de facto supporting genocide and fascism.

      I guess we both think that the ends justify the means. The difference is that my means is… voting for the least bad candidate so the least amount of people are harmed… and yours is… not voting so the maximum amount of people are harmed.

      Cope :)

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        You supported a pro-genocide candidate, and through some extraordinary mental gymnastics you think that makes you anti genocide.

        If you didn’t demand the candidate change their policy in genocide, you are neither anti genocide or supportive of the candidate, since there was no way for the candidate to win supporting a genocide. They had to change their policy to win the election.

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          I’ll remind you that your plan was to intentionally allow as much harm as possible.

          Actually, now that I think about it, whenever your plan leads to something, that isn’t just allowing and condoning… yeah man, you intentionally CAUSED as much harm as possible. Alex Pretti. Renée Good. Blood directly on your hands. :)

          Edit: more names whose deaths you directly caused by not voting, encouraging not voting, not primarying, etc Tens of thousands of Palestinians Unnamed Honduran Man Felix Bauckholt Rubin Ray Martinez Elena Catarina Morales-Chan Enrique Juan Tizol Macario (14 years old) Unnamed man near San Diego Unnamed man near Rio Grande City James Alanis Roberto Carlos Montoya Valdez Unnamed Equadorian woman Unnamed Mexican man Silverio Villegas González Yahir David Martinez Axel Everado Iquic-Sequen Manuel Mateo Lopez Jose Castro-Rivera Bartolo Baltazar Baltazar Epifanio Molina Bravo

          Bask in the direct consequences of your inaction.

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            No see, allowing as much harm as possible is what YOU did, whether you intended to or not. You are a wrecker if you didn’t advocate that Harris shift her position on Gaza.

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              Oof… gonna go ahead and put those Iranian lives lost on your head as well, as well as all the people the inevitable war is going to kill. Nice job.

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                  I’m confronting people wearing Trump shit at my JOB, in the middle of a RURAL TOWN IN A RED STATE FULL OF RACISTS. FUCK YOU. YOU WANNA DO SOMETHING USEFUL? OKAY, PASS SOME USEFUL INFO THEN?

                  I’m fucking disabled and gay. Fuck you. I’m TRYING.

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                  You’re right, I totally don’t care about those Iranian lives! Totally! I’m totally not bothered by this administration! I’m totally not bothered by America, my home, being the cause of suffering for people all over the world. You’re right! I’m not angry with righteous fury over those named who ICE murdered! I don’t care that America killed little girls!

                  FUCK YOU. FUCK EVERY US PRESIDENT TO EVER HOLD THE OFFICE. FUCK AMERICAN IMPERIALISM. SO FUCKING DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT YOU PATHETIC PRICK. YOU SIT HERE, ACTING SMUG, WAITING FOR A REVOLUTION? YOU START IT, PUSSY. NOT GONNA START IT? THEN FUCKING DO SOMETHING, YOU ARE USELESS AND INEFFECTIVE. AT LEAST I’M TRYING. AT LEAST I’M ADVOCATING FOR SOMETHING. YOU ADVOCATE FOR NOTHING.

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              No, see, you got your way, didn’t you? I didn’t get my way. So your way has directly lead to this. These consequences? Directly on your hands. You chose this. :)