He says other nations will have to guard and police the Strait of Hormuz as necessary, after his attacks on the country prompted Iran to target vessels in the crucial world shipping lane. Mark Stone analyses the Truth Social post.

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    America: I’ve had enough.

    Iran: I didn’t hear no bell.

    They have no reason to start letting US ships through the strait and America has no ability to stop them.

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      There are very few US ships.

      Almost every ship from a western country flies a “flag of convenience” from a country like Liberia, Panama, the Marshall Islands, etc. If they flew the US flag they’d be subject to US laws, and have to meet US safety standards, pay taxes to the US government, etc.

      The few US ships that exist are there to meet the requirements of the Jones Act which requires that shipments from a US port to another US port be done by ships owned by a US citizen, crewed by US citizens / permanent residents, built in the US, and so-on. These ships only serve US-to-US trips, so they don’t go through the Strait of Hormuz. Incidentally, this is a big reason why prices in Hawaii are so high. Only US-flagged carriers can bring supplies from the US to Hawaii. And, with a population of only 1.5 million, it’s not really efficient to send huge ships from other countries to Hawaii.

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      Well according to Chief Cheeto, that doesn’t matter because the USA “doesn’t use it” 🤦‍♂️

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          America is a net exporter of oil, Trump could limit the export of oil or make a deal with Venezuela or reduce domestic demand by investing in mass transit and renewables, but any of those would be as bizarre as expecting Richard Nixon to make a trade deal with communist china.

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            A whole new transit network is not going to be there in time for the midterms. Venezuela’s oil industry isn’t what it used to be, and the US is a net exporter anyway, like you said.

            Banning export might actually cure the symptom. The costs would not be zero either, though.

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              Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now. At least until storage is filled which will take a good bit of time (US strategic oil reserves are basically empty). The US gas prices aren’t high because there is no gas in the US, there is just more profit in selling it overseas.

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                Banning export means everyone would charge import price -0.01$ per unit for their oil products, same as it is now.

                I’m not quite sure I understand. Import to the US? Obviously, nobody’s importing from the US if there’s a straight up ban.

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      The nationality of the ships isn’t important.

      Anyway, Iran won’t keep antagonizing the entire world if their existence isn’t at risk. They haven’t been acting like crazy.

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        Nationality matters. Didn’t India negotiate passage for their ships? I can imagine Iran will happily let ships through from countries that cut ties with the US. Don’t host US bases, don’t use dollars to pay for oil. That sort of thing.

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          Maybe allowing any country’s ships through except the us ships would be better.
          It shows that Iran is open to some form of conversation or negotiation whilst also saying to the us that their war starting shit won’t be tolerated.
          And to come back in 12-15 years after there’s been a few different presidents to see if they’ve changed their warmongering ways. (<-- Haha, yeah)

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            The problem is no one registers their ships from their actual country. There are a few countries that everyone registers their ships to, so it’s not quite as simple as that, there are hidden paper trails connecting many of these boats to their true owners.

            Liberia, Panama, and the Marshall Islands are the bigger ones.

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        The nationality of the ships isn’t important.

        It is; Iranian, Indian and Chinese shipping, among others, is being allowed through the straits. Also you’re right, but as long as America gets to just bomb them at any moment their existence is at risk, so they’ll want some kind of guarantee this won’t happen again.

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        Backing off means allowing Israel/US to do this again in the future. I don’t think they’re done yet especially since their Supreme Leader got assassinated by the US.

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          I still want to know why Iran had it’s supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war. Some said maybe the supreme leader wanted to be a martyr, ok, but why was everyone else that was there there? Including the son of the supreme leader. Something stinks about this, Idk what, but there is some fuckery afoot.

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            supreme leader and all the other high ups in a vulnerable location knowing this was going to break out into war

            US negotiation meetings were scheduled for the next monday. He was very old, and a succession to his son, would seem an opportunity to fake his martyrdom for national unity, if somehow zionist axis thought this was a good idea to hit his house.

            King Charles, relies on thinking it would be a bad idea for US to bomb Buckingham Palace for his security.

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              Israel attacked them in the last war when they were in peace negotiations. So that talks were scheduled is no excuse for not practicing good opsec for their leadership. King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US and Israel so I don’t see how that is a good analogy. Iran’s supreme leader was almost assassinated last war, they knew, or should have known, they were going to do it.

              If it’s just about his martyrdom, why include all the other higher ups, and his son? Perhaps the Iranian hardliners tipped off the Israelis is where I’m going with this. I don’t necessarily think the hardliners are wrong at this point don’t get me wrong, this war was going to happen, and the old guard doesn’t quite get it.

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                King Charles isn’t under threat of attack by the US

                50/50 on whether it would increase UK sycophancy to US, even though it was unreasonable to expect Iran to be “convinced of US’s force for good” from their attack. The point that the attack only results in loss of prestige/attitudes towards US is the reason to not worry about “the surprise attack”.

                Shorter answer, in hindsight this turned out not to be the most self-preserving decision. It’s not a complicated conspiracy.

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                  Himdsight my foot, I knew Israel was going to try to kill the Supreme leader, but they didn’t? Why the fuck not? The Martyr thing only works if his son didn’t get hit too along with all those other military higher ups.

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                    I knew Israel was going to try to kill the Supreme leader

                    The only reason to do so is to make sure Iran doesn’t surrender, and to ensure that Iranian people back IRGC retaliation. If you knew this, then you know that Israel are just subhuman POS, that made this their objective. Sometimes Zionazi axis pretends that it would like a new liberal loving Iran instead of an angry Iran.

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              How do you figure that? The supreme leader, his son, and military higher ups gathered at the ayatollah’s compound knowing Israel and the US were going to attack, and knowing Israel wanted to assassinate the Supreme Leader in the prior war.

              One would have to be quite dishonest or slow to not question why they decided to gather there then, and the newspapers did ask that very question, including the guardian.

              So frankly, your critique says a lot about your own quality.

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      Well, Iran has goals, but just ruining the world isn’t one of them. Probably they’ll charge fees and let traffic through selectively.

      Negotiating an official solution to reopening it with other regional nations it is also a possibility. They can always shut it again if the US comes back.