PS DefenSe in the us.
funny how the israeli military is called a “defense force”. haven’t been doing much defending.
Old joke from when I was in engineering college.
What’s the difference between a electrical engineer and a civil engineer?
One builds the bombs one builds the targets.
Well I mean yeah. “Defense” just sounds better on TV.
Regardless of what you call it, making the production of weapons an ‘industry’ is psychotic.
let’s look at how well it worked out when a country turned over it’s nuclear weapons and relied on treaties to keep it safe.
Defense does also do defense in a lot of cases
It is a war industry for the Western countries because the war is never on their soil. It is a defence industry for everyone else.
yeah russia sure is defending the shit out of itself invading ukraine.
I get it, western countries bad, but for fucks sake have a bit of perspective.
NATO expansionism is the root cause of this war. NATO instigated this war and Russia got baited.
I’ll bite. In the 5 years leading up to Russia invading Ukraine, what did NATO do that warrants such a move by Russia?
ROFLS you really believe that huh?
even after russia guaranteed ukraine’s security in the budapest memorandum?
wow. amazing.
So did USA.
The US invaded Ukraine?
Sorry, that didn’t happen.
No, but they did promise protection. So far, there has been no protection given, only money.
Problem with talking about USA in this conflict is everytime immediately assumes that anyone accusing USA of anything is automatically supporting Russia.
So far, there has been no protection given
just tons and tons of ordinance, from the javelins that stopped the taking of Kiev to the artillery, apcs, aircraft and munitions for everything from autocannons to patriots, yeah, no protection whatsoever.
problem with talking about USA in this conflict are the spineless fucks who keep undermining our support to appease PUTIN. Ukraine deserves more, but we’re stymied by the kompromised members of our government.
The war is never on their soil? WW1 and 2 and Yugoslavia ring a bell? And Ukraine is a western country too.
They predict that Russia will attack western Europe in 2027, by the way.
We are talking about the war/defence industry which is a much newer thing when countries started selling weapons and such to other countries on a large scale and during their own non-war times, like the last 50 years of American history. If countries sold weapons to each other during WW2, it was because they were involved in the war themselves. Nowadays, it is just selling weapons and watching others burn each other down.
Predictions have been going on since forever about so many things. Doesn’t make it any truer. China is going to annex Taiwan, Russia is going to attack Europe, Iran is weeks away from nukes. Funnily, there are no predictions about USA doing stuff.
It’s a fairly recent development. It was created as the department of war by Washington and remained that until 1947 where it split into the departments of the air force and army, joining the already existing department of the navy, which together made up the national military establishment (NME), which was renamed 2 years later to the DOD.
Oddly enough, this also coincides with the time when the US military was more explicitly about offence rather than defense. After the Revolution, people mistrusted the federal government having a large standing army. The army was raised up in time of war, and everyone went home when it was over.
Post-WW2 was the first time the US kept a large army in “peace”. Been that way ever since.
“Gentlemen! You can’t fight in here! This is the War Room!”
- President Muffley, in Dr Strangelove
WWII was the war to end all wars, so we couldn’t have a department of war anymore. Still “needed” and army , navy, marines and all the weapons for them though so we created the department of defense.
The US used to have the Department of War. Then it split up after WWII into the departments of the army, navy, air force and the overseeing department was renamed the department of defense. Probably a branding thing.
edit: a word
100% branding. Cant go around admitting to attack and start wars. Its defense, guys. On other countries soil. Right?
“The Ministry of Peace”
-Orwell
Please respect and enjoy the peace ☮️
- Emperor Cleon, who ended the galactic wars
For countries like Finland, the Ministry of Defense is not about offense, and is very heavily armed.
I’ve always heard to it referred to as the “military industrial complex”. Eisenhower tried to warn us about it in the 1950s.
Smedley Butler was warning us in 1935. War is a Racket .
Yeah … no.
Ask Europeans if they feel working in that industry right now feels like anything but for defensive reasons.
Indeedy, my wife works for the German army.
They also cause Famines, Plagues, and Pestilence. They have whole departments devoted to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons.
They’re not a one trick pony.
