In the defense of the nuking of Japan, the Japanese Empire was batshit and it took both the loss of Manchuria and having two suns dropped on them for them to finally surrender. Even with that they nearly had a coup to continue the war, that is also leaving out the near constant fire bombing and insurmountable losses the IJN and IJA were facing. It was either nuke or do a sea invasion which frankly would’ve been De Facto a genocide if the reaction on some of the outer islands is anything to go by.
The biological warfare going back the founding is unforgivable though, I wish to infact the congressional water coolers with typhoid.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both major military industrial cities. It’d be like carpet bombing the industrial region of San Diego, brutal sure but in the age before modern precision munitions it is perfectly acceptable. Also the nuke was probably less lethal than the fire bombing campaigns on Tokyo and Dresden for example.
I don’t really agree with you on both points, the carpet bombing of cities were also war crimes in my eyes. And you can’t forget the long-term effects of nuclear fallout which make it much more sinister.
A war crime has a rather distinct definition in that it’s a warcrime for those who initiated it for example US troops double tapping Japanese troops because they kept playing dead to pull the pin on their grenades or booby trapping the dead and dying, this also largely targeted medics which is an even bigger war crime. Point is the fire bombing, carpet bombing, and nukes were definitionally not war crimes least of all because they weren’t listed in any accords, conventions, or treatise. You can make the argument they were immoral or dishonorable but by definition crimes even war crimes are legalistic by nature meaning lots of ifs, and/ors, and buts.
Also I don’t really give a fuck for any of the former Axis with maybe the exception of the puppet governments, Romania, and Finland. Call it old propaganda doing it’s work but the best outcome for the war was the absolute destruction of Fascist and Imperial ideology, given their current resurgence you can imagine my opinions on shitholes like the US, Russia, and China. Almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
Let’s not pretend Japan was some neutral power in the Pacific minding their own business. They were actively expansionist who were doing things like the Rape of Nanjing (1937) and generally making the SS look humanitarian. WW2 was one of the few points in American history where it’s foreign policy was generally good.
Also why the fuck do people defend Imperial Japan? They were doing a lot of the same shit as Nazi Germany but sometimes on even larger scales. They weren’t modern Japan, modern Japan exists because of the war their culture and temperament were more or less reconstructed post war to prevent them from being that bad. The JDF basically has to be strong armed into military expansion meanwhile the IJA and IJN wouldve never stopped.
Exactly. As they’re going on and on about how we can’t allow a nuclear-armed Iran, I’m thinking that we probably shouldn’t allow US to have a nuclear weapon.
USA shouldn’t be allowed to have weapons of mass destruction.
The only country to have used nukes, twice, and bio warfare on it’s own people.
We’re not the only ones to have used biological weapons on our own people.
The nukes though…yeah that’s on us.
In the defense of the nuking of Japan, the Japanese Empire was batshit and it took both the loss of Manchuria and having two suns dropped on them for them to finally surrender. Even with that they nearly had a coup to continue the war, that is also leaving out the near constant fire bombing and insurmountable losses the IJN and IJA were facing. It was either nuke or do a sea invasion which frankly would’ve been De Facto a genocide if the reaction on some of the outer islands is anything to go by.
The biological warfare going back the founding is unforgivable though, I wish to infact the congressional water coolers with typhoid.
Still dropping nukes on civilians is a warcrime up there in the top 10.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both major military industrial cities. It’d be like carpet bombing the industrial region of San Diego, brutal sure but in the age before modern precision munitions it is perfectly acceptable. Also the nuke was probably less lethal than the fire bombing campaigns on Tokyo and Dresden for example.
I don’t really agree with you on both points, the carpet bombing of cities were also war crimes in my eyes. And you can’t forget the long-term effects of nuclear fallout which make it much more sinister.
A war crime has a rather distinct definition in that it’s a warcrime for those who initiated it for example US troops double tapping Japanese troops because they kept playing dead to pull the pin on their grenades or booby trapping the dead and dying, this also largely targeted medics which is an even bigger war crime. Point is the fire bombing, carpet bombing, and nukes were definitionally not war crimes least of all because they weren’t listed in any accords, conventions, or treatise. You can make the argument they were immoral or dishonorable but by definition crimes even war crimes are legalistic by nature meaning lots of ifs, and/ors, and buts.
Also I don’t really give a fuck for any of the former Axis with maybe the exception of the puppet governments, Romania, and Finland. Call it old propaganda doing it’s work but the best outcome for the war was the absolute destruction of Fascist and Imperial ideology, given their current resurgence you can imagine my opinions on shitholes like the US, Russia, and China. Almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.
This goes deeper than I’m willing to discuss with strangers online. I didn’t even finish reading it tbh.
ironic, considering the username vaultdweller013
I mean the US started it all by emargoing Japan’s oil during wartime, so it’s not like Pearl Harbor was some unprovoked thing.
Let’s not pretend Japan was some neutral power in the Pacific minding their own business. They were actively expansionist who were doing things like the Rape of Nanjing (1937) and generally making the SS look humanitarian. WW2 was one of the few points in American history where it’s foreign policy was generally good.
Also why the fuck do people defend Imperial Japan? They were doing a lot of the same shit as Nazi Germany but sometimes on even larger scales. They weren’t modern Japan, modern Japan exists because of the war their culture and temperament were more or less reconstructed post war to prevent them from being that bad. The JDF basically has to be strong armed into military expansion meanwhile the IJA and IJN wouldve never stopped.
Exactly. As they’re going on and on about how we can’t allow a nuclear-armed Iran, I’m thinking that we probably shouldn’t allow US to have a nuclear weapon.