Roger and Lisa were running late. They were employed by Silverstein Properties at the time of the September 11 attacks, working in temporary offices in the North Tower. Sharon also played a role in the family business, with two of his three children serving as executives at the company. Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVKiu9Su6Ls

After almost 25 years now, there are more things we still can learn about that day. Silverstein had signed a 99-year lease for the World Trade Center complex just weeks before the attacks. Silverstein has stated that he typically attended meetings at the World Trade Center every morning. However, on 9/11, he did not go to the office due to a medical appointment. This detail has frequently resurfaced in documentaries, news reports, and online discussions as people revisit the events of that tragic day.

https://manhattan.institute/article/the-weekend-interview-with-larry-silverstein-rebuilding-ground-zero

  • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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    Yes, they are,

    Every other meeting there were new black members who left after a couple of sessions because they felt unwelcomed. the black caucus get’s ignored and it’s leadership is annoyed with that too (I am in her book club).

    This isn’t the racism of “fuck them N…” but more the racism of “I am not racist therefore I don’t have to care about racism, and if told otherwise, they are the real racists, I AM A GOOD PERSON”. Ie the colorblid version of racism.

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      If a political group centered on democratic socialism is trying to have a meeting focused on labor rights, tax reform, and social welfare, and you show up trying to constantly derail every conversation to be about racism because “NO! We can only talk about things that exclusively benefit me and my community, and anything focused on uplifting the whole working class and all the poor is just colorblind racism!”, then yeah you should be ignored.

      Be a team player and stay on topic. You can have your focus groups and book clubs all you want, but if you want to dominate every conversation and make it about one thing, and bully people into submission by crying “racism,” then that word is going to lose its meaning and people are going to stop caring.

      If you can’t work with working class white leftists to achieve common goals, just because they’re white, then yeah you’re the racists.

      Otherwise we can accomplish nothing because the feminists and the anti-racists and the queers will all be infighting over who’s the most oppressed and who deserves the most pity and who gets to dominate every conversation and who’s not marginalized enough to speak at this meeting. And the black lesbians will all be burnt out and exhausted because obvs they’re the most oppressed so they need to do everything, and everyone else is just being performative in one way or another!

      Hell, for that matter, good luck getting the Asians and the Hispanics and the Middle Easterners and the Natives and the Black people to all work together towards common goals, if you really want to make race such a wedge issue.

      It’s not racist to say “fuck all that, we’ll all be better off in a socialist system, so lets put our differences aside and work towards that instead of bickering about who’s the most oppressed.” The billionaires are our enemies, not each other.

      • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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        it is quite telling, that given you have zero knowledge of the situation, you immediately wrote a diatribe defending them.

        Black people keep trying to go there and work together, but when they bring up issues in their communities they are ignored and pushed asside. it’s a systemic problem.

        about 40 DSA white members decided to quit because of that. (the not racist people).

        If you’re interested read the four "Squandering a movement" essays. and of you think this is new WEB Dubois wrote the same thing in 1913th "Socialism and the Negro Problem".

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          I’m not making assumptions, I’m speaking from personal experience of attempting to participate in leftist organization and seeing repeatedly how quickly it gets derailed whenever a specific group tries to make everything exclusively about their own pet issues, and shaming and accusing anyone who wants to focus on broader goals.

          I read your medium article, it sounds like the author left the ivory tower of academia and was disillusioned to learn the realities of political praxis are much messier than theory. And it sounds like they don’t know what they want, anyway. Here’s a few examples:

          While I was working with the other members that were occupied with this project, I- like several other Black members that entered and exited the chapter before me- noticed that there was very little active effort invested into organizing south of the 10 freeway. For context to non-Angelenos, south of the 10 and east of La Cienega are historically portions of the city that Black people have lived in and been displaced from. The working group had few canvassing efforts centralized there. They reasonably identified the problem that they would be perceived as gentrifiers if our first activity in the area was to ask for votes for a favored presidential candidate. Simultaneously, a new caucus called Afrosoc that centered Black Leftism in the DSA was started. It just so happened that the caucus was cobbled together to compose the few Black members that were encountered in recent meetings throughout the DSA, and was made to be responsive to internal critiques from Black members. The first project for the group- and the idea that pulled in new members to the caucus in the first place was to establish a branch in this region of the DSA-LA chapter’s territory.

          So the non-black members correctly identified that they would be seen as gentrifiers if they attempted too much activity in the predominantly black neighborhood?

          But then the black members get their own caucus where they can organize and take a leadership role among the local black community.

          Oh, but then they complain that the black caucus is composed exclusively of the black members?

          If they’re so concerned that there aren’t more black members, then that’s on more black people to participate. Non-black DSA members can’t go around forcing black people to contribute their time and effort volunteering. That would be so wrong.

          And yet they still complain:

          She was also attending this meeting led by what were, at a glance, yuppies and gentrifiers. I was aware of the lack of diversity, but I hadn’t stopped to fully consider the depth of contradictions until she said something

          So now all of the sudden, when non-black members are participating, they’re just yuppies and gentrifiers? Even though, before, the concern was that they weren’t doing enough because it would have been seen as gentrification?

          There’s definitely a contradiction here, but I don’t think it’s that “white people are participating in leftist spaces.”

          And then they go and complain about black people having the leadership role in the black caucus:

          The founders of Afrosoc were stuck in the stressful position of being “the Arbiters for all Black folks”, and kept insisting that the moment belonged to BLM. They stressed that the DSA needed to play a supporting role, not try to swoop in and advertise for itself.

          What the hell else did they expect? Did they want the non-black members to be the “arbiters for black folks”?

          And sure, the BLM movement in 2020 belonged to BLM. But they simultaneously complain that DSA should mind its own business, but also play a more active role in it?

          It’s these sorts of self-contradictory demands that burn people out and desensitize them to the “racism” sledgehammer.

          It’s also telling that she calls out the “Latinx” members, gives a one-sided account of what makes them they’re anti-black, and even calls them a “faction.” When a lot of it sounds like these Afrosoc members were sharing up to the larger chapter meetings and making demands to steer it in their own directions, instead of using their own caucus which they have to pursue their own goals and priorities, which is what a caucus is for. But no, they complain that rheir caucus is given the responsibility for their own priorities, and instead of using it to organize they try to demand the larger chapter do that work? Even though if the larger chapter were to do that work, they would still call them out on it?!?

          And then they call it racism and anti-black when the chapter pushes back and tries to focus on the larger goals?

          It seems they just wanted to derail and insert their own pet projects, not contribute to the established goals of the org they joined.

          Oh, and let’s not forget about this gem:

          Namely, it struck her as odd that so many of the members had the money to simply go to a bar in the core LA after the meeting- right after using so much rhetoric about the working class.

          So apparently anyone who can afford to drink at a bar isn’t working class and can’t advocate for socialist goals? The person who said this had no comprehension of what the bourgeoisie is and how it differs from the proletariat.

          There is absolutely no contraction between volunteering for a socialist org and going out for occasional drinks.

          That article comes off as more of a hit-piece aimed at the only leftist org in the US that has any real political capital.

          And sure, WEB DuBois is great, but an abolition-era writer isn’t the most accurately descriptive choice for 2026. Time isn’t static, you know. Things have changed since the 19th century.

          • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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            maybe it doesn’t apply to your orgs, but my DSA chapter was definitely a middle aged white social club. All the members who actually do stuff left and we have our own mutual aid.

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              Okay, mutual aid networks and political parties are two different things with different goals, both of which are important. Demanding one do the work of the other is unrealistic and counterproductive.

              At least those middle aged white people weren’t hanging out at their local maga chapter. I swear it’s like being white is considered a crime to some people. If that’s your biggest complaint about DSA members then I frankly don’t give a fuck

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                they actively drive anyone who wants to do anything.

                you’re really into defending some people you don’t know from drama you don’t know.

                They also keep burning bridges with other organisations. It’s just a social club. Maybe your chapter is more active, I’m not judging yours because i have no idea what’s going on with it. but at the same time you’re really putting your neck defending people you have never met.

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                  I’d burn bridges with people too if all they ever wanted to do was attack me for participating in socialist organization while being white, and simultaneously also attack me for apparently not participating enough in socialist organization.

                  There’s no point in kowtowing to people who won’t rest until they’ve shredded every last scrap of good will you might have once had.

                  Defending people I don’t know?!? All around the country I see a much-needed and long-sought uptick in DSA victories, I see a long-overdue tidal shift in the Democratic Party just as a strong pushback is coming to punish the Republicans for maga. And I see all this happening none too soon, as we have some serious fucking work to do if we’re gonna pull out of this multi-front death spiral.

                  So now that the elections are getting so close, you think I won’t notice when there’s also an uptick in anti-DSA propaganda flooding the internet? You think I don’t see through that?

                  People like you gave 2024 to trump, and now you’re trying to redeem 2026 for maga and centrist dems. Why, so you can keep complaining when politicians can’t or won’t get anything done that’s important or beneficial?

                  • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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                    No one was attacked for being white, they left because they were being racist. in the white liberal from of racism.

                    I still support the DSA, I know some chapters are doing good work, but I can confidently say that my chapter didn’t.

                    And dismissing those issues is the fastest way to allow the whole of DSA to rot from within and let it become another toothless neoliberal org.

                    Yes, there is an amazing uptick in interest. but my org has barely grown in the past years, despite the interest, despite Trump, despite Mamdani. if anything it shrunk a lot because almost all the non racists and non whites left.

                    I am only speaking about my chapter, I have been in almost all their meetings in the past year, I have deep friendships with 4 out of 5 members of the executive committee who also left.

                    That chapter did indeed have a problem, a racist problem. And automatically siding with the racists because they were white is some racist bullshit you are pulling that will rot the whole organisation.

                    And we didn’t only form a mutual aid, we also go to every city and county hall meeting to advocate for the unhoused, against ICE, and against Flock, we are actively recruiting and growing with a strong antiracist focus, we are building community gardens to feed the unhoused (it is not much but it is honest work). And that is a few it the legal things I am allowed to write online.

                    The DSA is amazing and has massive potential, we cannot let it rot for the comfort of a handful of some old white men who just want a social club.