• Yliaster@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I wasn’t talking about the US 🤦

    It’s stupid how people just assume it’s america if you don’t specify.

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      What the fuck are you talking about? Spring of Nations didn’t spread to the US in the slightest.

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        Then what are you talking about?

        As for me, I’m referring to Marx and communist critiques of capitalism that have spanned several European countries in its inception which were then expanded by 20th century and modern communists who repeatedly said that collapse was imminent and inevitable.

        That’s been a consistent theme that hasn’t changed since around 1850.

        People keep going “oh yeah, it’s really gonna collapse this time! There’s gonna be real good change soon!” Nope. Bs. Historically inaccurate.

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          Then what are you talking about?

          I’m running out of names for that advent, so here’s the last one, I’m sorry but you’re just too semantically demanding. So here goes - Springtime of the Peoples

          As for the rest. Are you seriously claiming that there were no uprisings or revolutions since 1850? Brother, I’m sure you can do some better research.

          Or are you looking for something more spectacular, the full-blown worldwide revolution, and anything smaller than that is just too futile for your taste.

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            Are you seriously claiming that there were no uprisings or revolutions since 1850?

            That’s not my claim at all.

            My claim is that systemic change hasn’t occured.

            It doesn’t matter if “uprisings” or “revolutions” occur if they don’t lead to systemic change. For example, the french revolution lead to a dictatorship. Which isn’t a win.

            None of these “revolutions” have lead to any real systemic change. Key word: systemic. Not just measly concessions like “women can vote now” or "workers can get the weekend ‘off’ ".

            Or are you looking for something more spectacular, the full-blown worldwide revolution, and anything smaller than that is just too futile for your taste.

            It doesn’t need to be global, no. But it must lead to lasting, relevant systemic change in favour of the common man, yes.