The poor have no need of the rich, but the rich could not exist without the poor.
Musk: But I’m Atlas, holding the world on my shoulders! The poor would starve if I shrugged!
He’s been shrugging and the poor have been starving, so maybe it’s time for something different.
and to the end the rich has propaganda to convince some of the poor ones that they are poor because of “other” people are making them poor and not the rich, add in other things like lgbtq+, wokeness, women, abortions.
Robert Wyatt:
There is a kind of compromise You are master of Your endless gentle nudging Left us polarised It's hard to talk to enemies And we are enemies What we had in common Makes it even worse You're proud of being middle class Meaning upper class You say you're self sufficient But you don't dig your own coal I think that what you're frightened of More than anything Is knowing you need workers More than they need you
The whole point of the phrase is: When the poor have nothing left to eat, they will eat the rich.
It wasnt coined as a threat. It’s a warning. The poor are already starving, and there is a limit.
And the thing is that ‘rich’ is not an intrinsic property, it’s not genetic. When you eat the rich, everything they were hoarding - that which gave them the title ‘rich’ - becomes accessible. It doesn’t disappear from the system like an MMO inventory.
Only after the starving poor eat the rich, will there be a path to a possible future without starvation.
When the rich are too rich there are ways, and when the poor are too poor there are ways.
Last winter we sold two girls and endured, and this winter, if this one my woman bears is a girl, we will sell again. One slave I have kept—the first. The others it is better to sell than to kill, although there are those who prefer to kill them before they draw breath. This is one of the ways when the poor are too poor.
When the rich are too rich there is a way, and if I am not mistaken, that way will come soon.
~ Pearl S. Buck, The Good Earth
People have been theorizing (or fantasizing, rather) about the supposed collapse of the system since 1850, thinking it was soon then.
Guess it’s soon enough for us to not see it in this lifetime either.
Aka, worthless.
Google Russia 1918 and keep reading.
It’s collapsed a bunch of times.
The sudden, often arbitrary, and devastating failures make up much of the case for why the system is bad.
Is the system bad? Sure.
Will a good system finally show up? Doubt.
Those collapses you mentioned haven’t lead to a worthwhile system, have they?
Collapse is meaningless on its own.
Will a good system finally show up? Doubt.
People try new things. Sometimes those things work.
The problem isn’t that ideas are floated and failed. It’s that systems calcify around people in privileged positions.
Those collapses you mentioned haven’t lead to a worthwhile system, have they?
Economic models in 2026 are far more advanced and improved than ones from 1626
That tendency of systems is precisely why I’m skeptical of any real systemic change to occur.
Advanced and improved are vague terms. 1) Are the systems today better for the common man? And if so, how? 2) If it takes 400 years, then it’s largely irrelevant to anyone concerned with systemic change within their own lifetime.
That tendency of systems is precisely why I’m skeptical of any real systemic change to occur.
Systems endure until they don’t. A system with a long history tends to have a more entrenched position and a wider base of supporters.
Advanced and improved are vague terms
If you want a full categorical break down of 400 years of economic plans and conglomerated practices, I might point you to your local university and advise you to pick up any number of lectures on the subject.
But if you’re just going to “Nuh-uh” everything since the Dutch East India Company incorporated…
Ever since 1850? Geee, just two years after the Revolutions of 1848, I guess the peoples should never be appeased because they’ll just want more and more!
I wasn’t talking about the US 🤦
It’s stupid how people just assume it’s america if you don’t specify.
What the fuck are you talking about? Spring of Nations didn’t spread to the US in the slightest.
Then what are you talking about?
As for me, I’m referring to Marx and communist critiques of capitalism that have spanned several European countries in its inception which were then expanded by 20th century and modern communists who repeatedly said that collapse was imminent and inevitable.
That’s been a consistent theme that hasn’t changed since around 1850.
People keep going “oh yeah, it’s really gonna collapse this time! There’s gonna be real good change soon!” Nope. Bs. Historically inaccurate.
Then what are you talking about?
I’m running out of names for that advent, so here’s the last one, I’m sorry but you’re just too semantically demanding. So here goes - Springtime of the Peoples
As for the rest. Are you seriously claiming that there were no uprisings or revolutions since 1850? Brother, I’m sure you can do some better research.
Or are you looking for something more spectacular, the full-blown worldwide revolution, and anything smaller than that is just too futile for your taste.
If Elon dies, lots of his wealth will disappear as the stock price of his companies will drop. Not sure how much and if they will recover but, like it or not, he is a big part of the reason the stock market loves his companies.
They act like things can only get done if they’re in charge of everything…
They also honestly believe that
It’s their giant, narcissistic egos.
If Elon Musk disappeared tomorrow, chances are more people would have access to food.
It’s not just food, it’s housing and electricity and power to improve the world.
A trillion dollars is being held captive by one man and we’re allowing it. What could a trillion dollars do for the planet, for each person on earth.
Something must be done about the parasitic wealthy because they’re causing real harm to people every day they stay rich.
Yeah the money is a fiction, but the access to control our resources and our labour is very real.
Like there should be no amount of money that lets you immiserate the lives of millions for the benefit of the few. Or the one.
People all over the world will be celebrating! I also can’t wait till that orange c**t drops dead - the parties will be awesome. And the tears of the maga shitheads over the death of their cult leader will be sweet.
If Elon was flayed in the streets and his family was deported to countries they don’t know the language… It wouldn’t solve anything. They are just cunts taking advantage of a situation. So yes, flay the fuck, but change the laws to make sure it isn’t possible again
The problem with pissing on Thatchers grave is eventually you run out of piss.
Challenge accepted
I believe in you.
He’s terrified of getting taxed.
He should be terrified of being executed for crimes against the people.
His priorities are skewed.
Are we, as Americans, finally going to grow a spine like the French? Are we going to bring guillotines back? My heart says yes, but my head says no.
🎼 See them bow their heads to die as we once bowed when they rode by! 🎶
I 100% support his murder
Not me. I 100% support his, and his fellows’, execution.
I have been thinking about an appropriate punishment, but I think they would all need a personal approach that we have no time for.
I’m thinking being burried alive in a. casket, filled with chalk, and flesh-eating insects.
Someone else can run these companies Does Elmo strike you as a genius? More like a drug addict idiot.
Other people do the work, including intellectual work.
Not the biggest fan of eat the rich.
IMO purge the parasites is more accurate.
Eat the rich makes it sound like they are intrinsically more valuable whereas, like parasites, all they do is take value at the expense of the host.
It’s not even a fatal thing, their hoarding is a mental illness that must be addressed for the good of society.
They are indeed more valuable as food than as humans.
The bar isn’t high.
It’s from some novel I believe, i personally prefer tax the rich because that describes best what i think needs to happen.
I take it mean similarly, but using more aggressive language for emphasis. Like consume what they’ve taken back into the commons.
The problem with purge the parasites is that chuds will assume you mean people on benefits and then agree with you.
No that’s intentional. The problem with these slogans is that large populations have nuance.
If you say eat the rich, those chuds would either think your talking about upper middle class people or just reject it cause they can imagine one good rich person.
Conversely, when it comes to people on benefits, even thought the vast majority don’t abuse the system, the chud’s echo chamber is full of the rare examples that do.
So the solution is to acknowledge that being a parasite can happen in all walks of life, even though all the negative effects come from the rich ones.
True but it accurately describes the targets and the effects of doing it.
Idk how ultra-wealthy people like this shitass don’t understand that being taxed is the best outcome they can hope for. The alternative is people will eventually get desperate enough that they’ll drag the rich cunts out of their houses and beat them to death in the streets.
Which uh, already happened before and i wouldn’t be surprised if it happened again in more modern times
Oh they all know it happened before. The rich simply don’t think it’ll happen again.
*to them
It’s the reason they’re buying islands and building bunkers.
And think we can’t swim or take over a yacht.
They forget we build the boats and planes and bunkers in the first place…
And the cement trucks, excavators, and battering rams. :)
They will hire someone to guard their bunker and a guard will block their vents, i am 90% sure that something like this would happen
Or we’ll just feed them fake news to their bunker, legally claim them dead and hand their wealth over to the people
When did that ever happen?
Yellow Turbans. Jacquerie. Bastille Day. To name three examples from the top of my head.
It’s a lot rarer than reddit/lemmy pretends it is. Historically it was more common for the rich to pay poor people to kill other poor people when they got uppity. Slave and peasant results fail like 95% of the time.
Don’t eat shit, mulch the rich.
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
They’re starving now, dipshit.
They’re starving because the rich are hoarding all of the food.
The rich aren’t hoarding food, they can’t eat that much.
The rich are more destroying farmland for datacenters and such, preventing food from being made in the first place.
Billionaires are the parasites of humanity, they only take and give nothing back. These delusional narcissists think society would crumble without them, while it’s them who are holding humanity back.
I’m not going to pretend that billionaires losing all their money will fix all our problems.
But I quite like the idea of them no longer having it.
It may not fix all problems, but it sure as hell will stop continuing causing more of them
Right? If I’m dying on this planet I’ll blow up the rocket going to Mars in order to keep you here to die with me.
It’s not them losing their wealth, it’s eliminating all of the rules set up to get them there in the first place. It’s preventing them from laying people off. It’s keeping them from developing more surveillance, more oppressive rules, no products that we don’t own and do on. You can’t lobby a congressman, if you’ve been eaten.
If done by legislation it would mean some pretty significant societal changes in the long run.
I support what Mamdani is doing, and I think in the long run it will work.
Having said that, it’s absurd to say that New York City has tested much of anything. Mamdani was elected just 7 months ago. Has there even been a tax season since he was elected? Moving can also easily take half a year. He balanced the budget on paper, but only by doing stuff like deferring payments to union pension funds. That’s not sustainable. Maybe next year he’ll be able to keep the budget balanced and make all the necessary pension payments.
You can say that Mamdani is in the process of doing this, and so far it seems to be working. But, at a bare minimum you need to wait a full year to see if it’s working, and realistically you probably won’t know for 5 years or more.
But, claiming it has been tested is like saying “You can absolutely survive on a berries-only diet. I’m proof. I started that diet this morning and I’ve never felt healthier!”
They’re starving right now
