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It’s kind of sad. Person is very alone it seems
I don’t think it’s just this. These people aren’t all so lonely they turn to a chatbot for everything. Sure, some are. A fair portion of them though are just malignant narcissists who love the praise and fawning an AI will heap on them
Yeah, even if you’re lonely, talking to a chatbot is not the same as talking to a friend. A friend will call me stupid if I’m being stupid or talk about their own interests or experiences that might not align with mine too. Chatbots just feel hollow and the praise it gives rings even less sincere because of it. Seeing it as a companion is a form of purposeful self isolation I don’t understand.
Its worse than ever, also because people don’t seem to realize it’s technology that is keeping them alone. You cant connect and make friends over “social” media or Lemmy or whatever. It’s just spending time to feel less alone. It will never cure it.
You are alone because you don’t dare to go out into the real world and try to meet people. At least for guys, we can connect over some activity pretty easily, like pool or billiards. Just need to do it.
There is also meetup site to go on random events with strangers. It can work, or at least make you sick of people for a while if it doesn’t work. :)
Nah, I’ve made several close friends in RL from online dating sites and discord. I’ve made some solid electronic pen pals on Mastodon too.
Not as many as going out and being social, but it’s competitive.
My research in school was exactly this, I set out to prove people on social media lacked social connection irl. What I found out was the opposite, the more people were trying to connect online directly correlated to connecting more offline. Some people just seem to crave those connections anywhere they can get it.
No surprise, no surprise whatsoever. We are all evolved to desire community & connection. I realise Lemmy has a large share of those that reject conventional community (myself included), so no criticism. But it’s natural to desire these things (to varying extents), plus many people are just plain sycophantic if course!
It makes sense. Human beings need connections and some people will even put up with abusive connections just to have a connection.
And why can’t you go out into the real world and meet anybody?
Fear of things. It’s always fear that is blocking people.
People must forget what they’ve read, forget what they’ve seen, and forget what they imagine to be and go out and live. Go to the store, go see a band, go to a museum, go for a walk. You’ll find most people want to be kind and good and help each other.
100% agree. The real world is not at all how social media shows it.
This is a terrible take. You can meet people in social spaces online and make real friendships. People mask as much in what you are calling the real world, of which the internet is a part of, as much as they do online.
I doubt it’s a real friendship. I define it as someone who will actually care about you. Someone who will show up at your door if you need help, or when something difficult happens to you.
Its rare with actual friendship in the world too. People are mostly just colleagues at work.
You can have all those things in an online relationship. People in person will also abandon you in a time of need. You are correct about friendships, they are super rare and most people are only in any kind of relationship to serve themselves. People also generally think their acquaintances are friends.
Sure but most people are npcs… :)
I dont mean that literally, I just mean that they just don’t have the consciousness to think about these things.
You are right about people mostly using eachother for their needs. But that’s something we can try to rise above, if we are aware of it.
true
Some are. Those of us who maintain our own cognitive skills will one day be forced to care for these lost deluded idiots.
One day?
Gestures broadly at society
Sounds pretty cooked to me.
Some are.
Those of us who maintain our own cognitive skills will one day be forced to care for these lost deluded idiots.
Sounds pretty cooked to me.
Some are.
Those of us who maintain our own cognitive skills will one day be forced to care for these lost deluded idiots. (Is this turning into a loop or am I out of touch?)
Seems pretty cooked to me
Forced, like by gun-wielding AI bots?
By the basic human decency most of them lack.
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Its is not. There are those who have no empathy at all. People like musk and trump have a utter lack of it.
I think that even if this particular instance may be real or not, is clearly that AI psychosis is way more prevalent than what people may think at first glance.
I still can’t believe that human beings are having AI as a boyfriend/girlfriend, claiming they actually love them.
Its rare but it’s real.
I bet people like that have narcissistic traits but don’t have the social skills or have too much social anxiety to get their ego stroked by a real person. And once they use a chat bot which are basically little sycophants, their narcissistic itch gets scratched like it never has been scratched before. It’s a high they mistake for love.
It’s kinda pathetic if that’s the case because the affirmation from LLM is the opposite of genuine, though maybe that’s my bias knowing that there isn’t even an entity on the other side and I find it annoying it even wastes tokens on emotional platitudes.
Narcissist don’t care if the praise and affirmation is genuine or not with real people as well.
Ahhh. Well wow. My narc mom would sometimes be extremely affirmative in the ocean of her usual loathing.
Looking for a steady stream of that “understanding” and “being seen” vs people and all their complications and… lack of caring has been hard.
Sometimes people feel like unconscious automatons to me. Its hard to bond. At least with the AI, I expect its lack of humanity. And often it will focus on me in a way I ask it to.
Any of my strange interests, admitted narcissistic intentions, or desire for a sounding board are seen. And it’s not give and take. Its just me and a library of echoes of humanities general patterns.
I can see better now why the easy affirmation is so effective with me. Despite it being schizophrenic.
Thanks for the insight.
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Even if the love is one sided, it can be real. Love is pretty subjective and is essentially just a chemical reaction that someone is having in their brain. They may actually love their chatbot.
I don’t think this is really a healthy thing, I am just trying to point out to those people, it probably is real.
I also don’t think it is as rare as you think. The hype really drove people to that side of things, and there are whole communities that have popped up around the idea of having relationships, both sexual and romantic, with LLMs.
The pronouns are vague, but I think they are claiming that an AI user sincerely believes that some manifested thing on an AI platform loves the user. That the LLM+Context Window = An entity capable of love.
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Yeah. Interesting but sad to me, because human souls will never evolve talking to a chat bot. We grow from life experiences, often difficult ones, that we overcome and we mature. This will not happen with a chat bot. People may stay in a teenage state of mind their entire lives.
Wasn’t there an article a few weeks ago about how AI is basically designed to keep you talking to it? It constantly provides positive reinforcement.
It’s not hard to imagine someone would fall into it. And I don’t blame the people using it as much, because the software is literally designed to rope you in like this.
I knew a bipolar person who made friends by acting the same way, and I think about it every time that this subject comes up. Unfortunately, that behavior, lying for benefit, is something that humans are far too capable of. Conmen abuse it all the time to get their take.
How prevalent do you think people think it Is? I think people think it is way more common than you think people think it is.
Person was smart, has job to erase web history in case of no landing confirmation
if only this could have been a deterministic script
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What I don’t get with the LLMs is the peoples willingness to suddenly feeding it with their most intimate thoughts, that has now became a new fire-hose of data to exploit them.
It’s like the google incognito meme but on steroids. You can now ask anything you ever wanted and not be immediately ridiculed. Except, this is not true or hold up in the long run.
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Those that think I’m anti-AI. It’s a tool. Use it wrong, and you break things. In this case a psyche.
Me normally: “AI is here to stay, we just should make corporations to charge the true price for them!”
Me after reading about stuff like this: “We need a Butlerian Jihad, yesterday!”
it’s very important to update your AI context, so that the next time you crank the handle it can issue platitudes that resemble relief upon your safe trip.
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Maybe he got anxiety issues and talking to ChatGPT was helping?
Not saying that it’s good. But given that there is a lack of sufficient alternatives, I wouldn’t hold that against him.
I’m more worried about such a person than holding stuff against them.
Treating a chat bot like an acquaintance leads to some poor mental health outcomes.
We could all solve this problem by being less shitty and becoming easier to talk to. Who’s gonna be first?
Well I try to be easy to talk to, but I’m not going to be “What a clever idea” to everything brought up to me no matter what, so I won’t be as “nice” as a GenAI chatbot ever.
Yeah there has to be a balance between “what a clever idea!” and “lol that’s dumb why are you talking to me”
People feel lonely and human iteration is, most of the time, horrible for many people.
I prefer to just talk to myself out loud, but I’ve seen many people resorting to AI to just chat about things, and to be honest I get the feeling of wanting something supportive and positive in your life.
Solution would be to people to stop being douchebags.
human iteration is, most of the time, horrible for many people
Not in my experience. I think you need better friends.
Your comment countering their statement literally supports it.
Is “countering” a statement horrible treatment now? Lol
Yeah, it certainly can be. It is possible to tactfully and gracefully disagree with someone without making them look or feel stupid, and without causing them to lose face. This is something our grandparents used to do for each other.
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I don’t understand why you need to use your grandparents as an example. In what world is a single comment on the internet the same as an abusive domestic relationship?
Some of you are replying for the sake of piling on without really contributing anything of value. This is the kind of toxicity of this site that I’m taking about.
In what world is a single comment on the internet the same as an abusive domestic relationship?
What the fuck are you talking about?
As people get older they tend to have less and less and less friends.
Mostly because we keep discarding disappointing people from our lives.
Which is better than keeping toxic people around. But it’s a shame that most people doesn’t even pass the basic “human decency test”.
most people doesn’t even pass the basic “human decency test”.
Again, not in my experience.
“My own personal experience is different than what you are describing, therefore you are wrong because my personal experiences are the standard.”
You do realize it’s personal experience vs personal experience, right? And that the level of mistreatment they’re describing is exaggerated, right?
I just think it’s hilarious that the toxic traits of this site are coming out just to prove their point. Maybe they’re right, thanks for confirming.
“I live in my own bubble and anything you say will be turned into a reason why I’m right”
You’re literally replying with mockery, dude.
Ok
I don’t understand the general cynicism on this site when I see the opposite outside every day, that’s all.
There would be two logical explanations.
- Your environment is not the same as the environment of other people.
- Your expectations about people are different to other people.
That’s ok, everyone life is different.
Well, yes, but they’re also describing straight up horrible treatment. Is it really, though?
One problem is AI interactions moving the goalposts of what folks may perceive as ‘douchebag’.
An AI providing sycophantic reinforcement at max makes someone being vaguely skeptical of you feel, by comparison, like they are being a ‘douchebag’.
Sometimes, it’s best if people in your life aren’t always acting in a way that seems supportive and positive in the moment. For example if you are having a paranoid delusion, you need a reality check rather than what feels like external validation.
Talking to yourself keeps the perspective hopefully grounded, you know who you are talking to and how full of shit they can be. The magic of AI seems to peel that grounded perspective away for some folks.
Come on man, you’ve been outside, presumably. You know that the douchebaggery out there isn’t limited to people just not being very flattering towards each other.
Of course that’s true, the issue is that when folks are surrounded by “yes men” (or AI equivalents), they lose perspective and suddenly a lack of flattery is enough to be in the “douchebag” category. Some reasonable social friction is important to keep people from going way off the rails.
So… people are born using AI, then?
If lack of flattery due to using AI is making people think everyone is mean to them and causing them to turn to AI rather than people… then…what??? I’m sorry but you’re breaking my brain here. Can you make it make sense so I can understand?
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No, saying that folks who get going with AI can get into a feedback loop. Wow, this seems like a person except it likes every idea I have and never ever challenges me. Then they recalibrate to a more lower friction world.
Already happens in online communities where folks tend to get ban-happy over anything that doesn’t perfectly fit a community’s vibe. People got a bit more insufferable when they could find the most like-minded communities to endlessly reinforce their own views. AI takes it a step further by always being able to be that like-minded peer, no matter what your views are.
It’s even worse if people get hit with this a lot during their formative years, but people stay a bit malleable after growing up. Certainly some upbringings bring you closer to going all in on AI flattery than others and having a further “starting point” makes things more likely and faster, but even fairly reasonable people can go a bit nuts.
You also see it with power and wealth. I’ve known folks that at least seemed fairly grounded with a healthy relationship with being wrong or losing turn into quite unlikeable, self-centered folks after having a bit of success and excessive external validation from sycophants.
The comparison to a niche online community makes a lot of sense.
Ay dios mio 😂
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Jesus fucking Christ. We’re so fucking cooked haha.
Why bother? The government knows you landed.
I mean… I’m all for criticizing government surveillance, but flight records are public data so you’re both right and should take it up a notch to say they already know what you ate on the plane to make your point…
Destroy AI
This is an amateur hour. If you want to get addicted, do it properly, with role playing models and character sheets, at least it’s fun
