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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/16451158
Getting slapped and getting stabbed are both bad. But not equally bad.
Okay, but there’s a difference between “both sides are bad” and valid criticism of the democratic party.
Exactly. Only fight the Democrats 364 days a year.
Sir, this is a Lemmy. The issues are black and white. Pragmatism means you’re a Nazi. Everything you’re doing to try and make a difference is worse than genocide AT BEST. I checked your post history and there’s not a single comment about how many Republicans you have personally punched simply for being a Republican and having a different opinion than you, so you might as well be a Republican yourself, which makes you a double Nazi.
+50 .ml credit
Good job, comrade. Nutomic is proud.
This is binary thinking and it is a way to prevent any realistic change for the good. Here are my priorities for voting.
- Democratic Socialist
- Non-MAGA Republican.
- MAGA Republican
- Democratic Establishment.
I see myself cross-voting in November.
Both sides are bad, but both sides are not the same. One shows time and time again they are scared of their voters and will change course with enough pressure. The other one only puts pressure on us under the heel of a boot.
Yes, both suck, but we are not getting anywhere with this stupid flip flop between two awful options. You take the less bad one, then work really fucking hard to get better people to replace them. Don’t keep falling for this one weird trick bullshit, where one cultish figure has hat claims to solve it all will get the nod in an effort to “try something different”.
Third parties are useless, unless we can get ranked choice. Until then, we play the fucking game, not keep flipping rhe board every few years.
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That’s like saying the US is good for materially enabling Israels genocide in Palestine because the US is killing people more indirectly than Israel.
Critique has nothing to do with voting.
Voting is literally just one way both “parties” can stay in violent control
So if I were in the US, I’d have how many choices? Two (2)?
I would love some count Binface vs Vermin Love Supreme.
40 plus years of neo liberal policy, that yes have been embraced by ‘both sides’, has been destroying the nation and for some reason people don’t want to admit it.
The “some reason” is because most educational text and all entertainment media are published by the same six corporations, all of whom are owned by billionaire parasites who profit greatly from that Neoliberal policy.
George Carlin put this idea to rest a very long time ago. If you truly believe that Democrats are somehow fundamentally different from Republicans you have lost the plot.
This is something I disagree with Carlin on.
You can disagree if you want but he is right.
Dems have utterly failed in doing anything other than fighting progressives the Dem party is truly insane in that they are obstructing the very thing that would save us all which is more Dems everywhere. Time for the old guard to step down or turn their attention to combating the GOP. Like it’s utterly fucking stupid. And fuck the fuck out of Israel get the fuck out of the Dem party and American politics.
The two party system is a lie. Actually there are factions within and without each party. If your analysis stops at D and R, you cannot possibly describe American politics accurately.
In other words, your oversimplification is not useful for comprehension of the situations at hand. But it is also true that corporate lackeys exist everywhere.
I’m debating whether I want to engage with you on this. I can’t tell if this is ragebait or if you genuinely arrived at this conclusion.
Your comment appears to conflate two separate ideas, and I think there’s a contradiction in your reasoning. That makes me question whether you actually understood the point being made.
Especially if this is the conclusion you drew from the clip in my previous comment, which, to be fair, I don’t even know if you watched.
Did you actually watch the clip, or are you responding only to my summary?
Voting is an illusion of choice. At best, you’re voting for a personality. Who voted for these flock cameras? Who voted for this war with Iran? Who voted for citizens united? I can go on and on.
No, you’re simply wrong. Voting changes many things. But it doesn’t fix everything. I mean, just look at Iran. Did Biden start that? No. But if Trump had won in 2020, you can bet he would have done the same thing four years earlier.
Voting is about policy, unless you’re foolish and decide it’s about personality.Then really bad shit happens. And politicians have been corrupt for millennia. So what? You want a king instead? Lol. Go look at history and tell me how that worked out.
Voting alone is insufficient. Do other things, too. Or don’t! It’s your life.
I mean, just look at Iran. Did Biden start that?
It’s real dumb to blame the long history of imperialism on one guy, but he didn’t do jack shit to stop it. He supported genocide and the MIC like every other politician.
The problem with this isn’t voting, it’s who you are allowed to vote for and which policies those people represent. Most US elections boil down to “90% hitler and covert fascism vs 100% hitler and overt fascism”. Sure, if I were forced to vote in such a situation I probably would vote for the 90% hitler just out of harm reduction, but also it’s important to acknowledge that the entire system which forces you to vote for 90% hitler must be destroyed.
But if Trump had won in 2020, you can bet he would have done the same thing four years earlier.
The question is rather, would Harris have started some kind of war in West Asia if she had won in 2024? I think the answer is yes, because both Trump and Harris answer to highly overlapping sets of capitalists and imperialists and war is highly profitable. The war would probably be carried out more professionally and effectively, but would that actually be a good thing?
Nope, you are very wrong. Biden did a lot of drone attack as well. Voting keeps your attention away from actual problems. They are intentionally making voting results 50/50, so thay you think it may solve problems.
Nope, you are very wrong
No, u
This is not true, voting is the problem. You think it will solve problems, but it won’t!! Both sides work for the same team. Find a way out with unions
or vote green
I mean, at least you voted
I think voting is the bare minimum duty for living in a democracy, even if the vote is “wasted” it can send a message.
Sure, split the vote so the other side is assured a win, brilliant If those Jill Stein dummies weren’t a thing, Dump would have one less term.
I will only choose another color, if we get ranked-choice voting.
Third party voters did not decide either of the elections that Trump won. That’s a lie the establishment Dems cooked up to obfuscate their responsibility for Trump, and there data absolutely does not support it.
But decades of bioartisan Neoliberal austerity policy did suppress turnout. Probably enough to affect the outcome, but that’s not something anybody measures since nobody with the money to find the study actually wants to know.
Sure, let’s play the puppet game. Shit if you can’t realize atleast some of the responsibility lays on dems side. Just look at it like this, they didn’t engage with red states, they didn’t engage with red areas, they didn’t push strong candidates, they allow corruption on their side aswell, they half ass so many policies, and dropped the ball in alot of aspects like no child left behind (not saying to abandon kids, just freaking want a program that doesn’t screw the majority of kids learning).
With all that, don’t get me wrong I despise trump and republicans. However the reality is this happened due to one side actually being proactive in their strategy. The democratic party isn’t proactive. Kamala was a bad pick purely due to lack of popularity, which could’ve been addressed by decisive engagement. But NO they’re thinking about their retirement and stock portfolios. Or they’re just straight up to old to do that much.
I don’t think “both sides are bad” is designed to keep people from voting. It’s meant to give the people that follow the definitively worse of the 2 sides a justification to keep voting the same way.
I think it does both. Some people don’t vote because it doesn’t matter. Some people vote for the right because they can say it doesn’t matter…
Then the right win, we go all fascist and richer people get richer.
It can be two things.
“Specifically designed”
Wow that post triggered a lot of people good job OP. Luckily m country is not yet two party



