There is no way (in this world that we have created) to use AI “responsibly”. No matter what you choose, you are building on the base of wage theft, human suffering, environmental destruction and empowerment of the oligarchies.
AI is not “like any other technology”. That’s techbro acceleracionist slopaganda.
No matter what you choose, you are building on the base of wage theft, human suffering, environmental destruction and empowerment of the oligarchies
so… like… any other technology after all then?.. otherwise I highly suggest you throw away your phone, your store-bought clothes, most of what you own, really.
Agreed, you really should take that advice to heart! I mean, I get it, it’s fun to hate the new thing with everyone else and virtue signal as hard as you can, as long as you don’t try to apply the same level of vigor to literally any other part of your life. This is The Bad Thing and you are The Good One because you hate The Bad Thing. Time to tell everyone
Please, try at least some modicum of intellectual discourse. Electricity is quite a physical phenomenon of nature, like rain, we can not impart moral judgment on them.
All that said, there are ways to use electricity without “exploitative resource extraction”, for example with a potato.
You need to divorce your thinking of AI as a current prominent manifestation of the capitalistic black hole and the technology itself. Before that is was Crypto. Before that it was cloud, before that it was property derivatives. Capitalism will just hijack anything where they can extract value from the quickest.
AI as a technology is very much real and very much physical, it follows the same physical rules that everything else is. Denying that is like saying steam power is not real because you can’t see the force pushing.
AI has been around for 50 years now. Its driven much of engineering progress in the 70s and 80s, our chemical and biological research in the 90s and physics in the 2000s.
The current large language learning models are just a next progression of this technological trend.
I already did, but you refuse to read it. I explicitly said this is about how A (or what people call “AI”, because it certainly has not existed for “around for 50 years now”) exist in this world how we have created it. Via theft, exploitation and destruction, and oriented to the fulfillment of the elites and the oppression of the worker class.
Absolutism is toxic, yes. Moderated realism upon a flagrant observation of reality as conducted, is not.
No, not really. There are models based on freely given training data. There are models used without wasting large amounts of electricity. There are models that aren’t used to empower the oligarchs.
It sounds like you are mad at our economic and societal structures, but taking your anger out on the tools.
It sounds like you are mad at our economic and societal structures, but taking your anger out on the tools.
I can be mad at both the exploitative structures and at the toolkits that enable, further and synthetize them. They don’t need to be mutually exclusive, and in general it’s not useful that they are.
So are you mad at power-tools? The internet? Cars? Because they are “building on the base of wage theft, human suffering, environmental destruction and empowerment of the oligarchies.”
Why are you mad at one set of tools, but not the other sets of tools?
Not really. What, you expect me to be mad at the wheelbarrow?
Geez, the low meda literacy and the silly arguments of absurdum from the people who try everything to sell a cage for which they don’t have the keys is unprecedented.
Do you really not understand concepts such as “necessary but not sufficient”? Just because I don’t like strawberry juice doesn’t mean I have to dislike all strawberries (or all juices).
for fuck sakes; stop pretending the csam generating machine is useful.
Just because you could not find a use for it, does not mean millions of other people have not.
Just like any technology. you can use it responsibly or irresponsibly.
There is no way (in this world that we have created) to use AI “responsibly”. No matter what you choose, you are building on the base of wage theft, human suffering, environmental destruction and empowerment of the oligarchies.
AI is not “like any other technology”. That’s techbro acceleracionist slopaganda.
so… like… any other technology after all then?.. otherwise I highly suggest you throw away your phone, your store-bought clothes, most of what you own, really.
Oh look it’s the same accelerationist argument as usual, that just because you loathe one technology you must throw away all of them.
Try at least high-school grade of discussion.
Agreed, you really should take that advice to heart! I mean, I get it, it’s fun to hate the new thing with everyone else and virtue signal as hard as you can, as long as you don’t try to apply the same level of vigor to literally any other part of your life. This is The Bad Thing and you are The Good One because you hate The Bad Thing. Time to tell everyone
Would you say the same of electricity? There is no way to use it responsibly because its all based on exploitative resource extraction?
Please, try at least some modicum of intellectual discourse. Electricity is quite a physical phenomenon of nature, like rain, we can not impart moral judgment on them.
All that said, there are ways to use electricity without “exploitative resource extraction”, for example with a potato.
You need to divorce your thinking of AI as a current prominent manifestation of the capitalistic black hole and the technology itself. Before that is was Crypto. Before that it was cloud, before that it was property derivatives. Capitalism will just hijack anything where they can extract value from the quickest.
AI as a technology is very much real and very much physical, it follows the same physical rules that everything else is. Denying that is like saying steam power is not real because you can’t see the force pushing.
AI has been around for 50 years now. Its driven much of engineering progress in the 70s and 80s, our chemical and biological research in the 90s and physics in the 2000s.
The current large language learning models are just a next progression of this technological trend.
Remember absolutism is toxic.
I already did, but you refuse to read it. I explicitly said this is about how A (or what people call “AI”, because it certainly has not existed for “around for 50 years now”) exist in this world how we have created it. Via theft, exploitation and destruction, and oriented to the fulfillment of the elites and the oppression of the worker class.
Absolutism is toxic, yes. Moderated realism upon a flagrant observation of reality as conducted, is not.
I really don’t care.
This is so divorced from the current discussion of what AI is doing now that it’s a waste of time even talking about it.
No, not really. There are models based on freely given training data. There are models used without wasting large amounts of electricity. There are models that aren’t used to empower the oligarchs.
It sounds like you are mad at our economic and societal structures, but taking your anger out on the tools.
I can be mad at both the exploitative structures and at the toolkits that enable, further and synthetize them. They don’t need to be mutually exclusive, and in general it’s not useful that they are.
So are you mad at power-tools? The internet? Cars? Because they are “building on the base of wage theft, human suffering, environmental destruction and empowerment of the oligarchies.”
Why are you mad at one set of tools, but not the other sets of tools?
Not really. What, you expect me to be mad at the wheelbarrow?
Geez, the low meda literacy and the silly arguments of absurdum from the people who try everything to sell a cage for which they don’t have the keys is unprecedented.
Then why are you mad at AI? Those fit all of the same requrirements that you listed above. Why do you think one is bad, but not the other?
Do you really not understand concepts such as “necessary but not sufficient”? Just because I don’t like strawberry juice doesn’t mean I have to dislike all strawberries (or all juices).
Or are you trying to sell AIs for someone else?
Come on, be honest.
if people are finding use for a csam generating machine, i hope they get a visit from the fbi
I take it you think the only use for a microwave is to cook babies?
Imagine calling AI “the csam generating machine” but not cameras.
No, you’re right, those Meta glasses are also powerful csam-generating machines.