• flandish@lemmy.world
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      the reasons the US claim are irrelevant, certainly propaganda, and probably lies. the US is doing military action in these places. the US is a terrorist state.

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        Mmmm hmmm, poor ISIS, being terrorized by the US. They just want to vibe and chop some heads off, but mean ole Uncle Sam hates them :'(

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          After the U.S. invasion, the Coalition Provisional Authority under Paul Bremer banned senior Ba’ath Party members from government jobs and dissolved the Iraqi Armed Forces.

          This mass dislocation of soldiers became the root of opposition to US occupation and eventually the core of the ISIS movement.

          Incidentally, also a group the United States clumsily expended in their efforts to harass Iraq’s neighbors.

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            They didn’t just ban senior members, they banned every member from all kinds of public employment. And under Saddam, you had to be a Ba’ath party member to hold public employment.

            That means that if you were a teacher or a bank clerk in Saddam’s Iraq, you couldn’t work as a teacher under US occupation. So hundreds of thousands of working people were thrown out of the economy overnight, and a small fraction that large number went on to form Daesh.

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            I had no idea that they were just minding their own business and the US forced them to chop those people’s heads off and take women as sex slaves, who knew

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              Nobody’s defending Daesh, who were scum. It is however a fact that Daesh came into being as a result of irresponsible US policies during the occupation of Iraq. That doesn’t absolve them of responsibility, but it illustrates that US policy in the Middle East has been cruel and destructive for a long time.

              It is also a fact that the now-president of Syria who was recently invited to the White Construction Site founded a Syrian terror organization which used much of the same tactics as ISIS, became the Syrian wing of al-Qaeda (remember them?) and that he personally approved Oct7-style attacks on Israel (which were thwarted).

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          yeah. not like the isis folks arent at all locals who have had girls schools blown up by america so they can control oil.