Breaking: terrorists behave like terrorists
Swedish gov should cut all ties for this terrorist state torturing their citizens.
While I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, it’s amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
It is well known by most in Israel that the country simply cannot function in isolation. It will lead to collapse. In this, they are giving the flotilla far more power to eventually overthrow the ruling regime.
They have done worse to other protestors and faced zero accountability:
While I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, it’s amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
You’d be correct most of the time, but this is Israel we are talking about. They know there won’t be any consequences because claiming they did something wrong must mean you’re a nazi, and even if you get over that, daddy USA is there to protect them anyway.
Israel could livestream a soldier killing Greta and they would face no consequences whatsoever.
They just assume Uncle Sam will bail them out, no matter what. They are not wrong, much to the frustration of a large portion of the US population.
Thats on borrowed time. Money to isreal is one of the only issues left and right agree with. Someone is going to take advantage of that eventually and isrela is gonna get disconnected from the US teet
I know you are probably American, so am I.
We need to stop calling the Democrats the “left” party. They’re not.
Isn’t it relative though? They’re left of the Republicans so they are the left most choice Americans have.
No because left means anti-capitalist. The Democratic Party is not anti-capitalist. Therefore, the Democratic Party is not a left party.
However, they are a neoliberal party. Which, when compared to the Republican Party’s existence as a fascist party, does certainly make the Democrats preferable. But just because they are preferable does not mean they are left
The
leftDemocrats and the right.Politics are left, right, and whatever the fuck Democrats are doing.
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leftDemocrats and the rest of the right.
The Americans are not the reliable partner they used to be.
Reliable enough, unfortunately.
I actually don’t think that’s true. One of the rare bright spots in Trump’s generally unbroken record of catastrophe is that he is so unpredictable, and generally gives so little of a shit what happens to anyone outside himself, that the chances of Israel suffering some kind of great consequence and the US not bailing them out as we always do are greatly increased right now I think.
Also, yes, I think this is possibly the greatest fuckup Israel could possibly have committed right now. It may be what finally turns the tide against them, after so many decades of nothing. Outside of literally nuking Gaza or Iran or something, I honestly can’t think of anything worse for them than physically brutalizing a universally popular Western media personality for literally no reason at all.
Problem is, she’s not popular with the type of people who vote for Trump. His demographic would take Israel’s side on this one.
Remember when Elon Musk did a nazi salute on the world stage for all to see? Remember how we were trying to rationalize what the hell he was thinking? The simplest answer is that nazis at some point just can’t help themselves and they end up saluting because they love doing it, they just need to show people who they are.
Same logic I think applies here. Yes it is self-defeating, yes, it is stupid, and yes, it is gratuitous and dangerous. But these people working Ben Gvir’s prisons? This is who they are. It’s horrifically simple. The people working the Israeli prison system are low level functionaries of apartheid. These are not people who think in terms of strategy etc. If they had the capacity to think like that they wouldn’t be there. It’s as simple as that.
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There are reports from American doctors who worked in Gaza of Palestinian babies being regularly shot in the head.
That was reported during the Biden administration.
Israel is murdering babies, and it hasn’t affected their support. Why would this matter?
We also have no evidence any of this happened. It is easy to make propaganda when we want to believe it.
The beating and flag kissing is sourced to another captive, and might be exaggerated, but her general mistreatment was reported by Swedish diplomats after speaking to her. It’s pretty credible, imo.
Do we have any sources that aren’t biased toward making her treatment look bad?
Respectfully:
Are you genuinely interested in exercising neutral skepticism? Or are you just arguing on the Internet against claims that run counter to your preferences for what you’d like to be true?
(Be honest.)
I sincerely believe that the world is a lot less extreme than what social media is telling us. Exceptions, yes, but those are exceptions. Most of the discussion that takes place anymore is driven by sociologically hacking us, done by interested parties to drive division and distrust. It happens on all sides. That doesn’t mean you should drop your support for peaceful protest, aid delivery, etc., but it does mean we should be aware of propaganda and manipulation that confirms our own biases. The effect of the rush to extremes is that we then create extreme situations. The world is getting uglier and uglier, largely driven by this problem.
Does this cut both ways? Because I agree with what you: we should not reflexively believe sensationalist claims because they reinforce our preferred view of the world.
But under the exact same logic, we also should avoid dismissing sensationalist claims because they contradict our preferred view of the world.
Being aware of the manipulation you mentioned, and the fact that forces are trying to manipulate you in both directions on this issue… do you have any credible reason to dismiss testimony by Greta Thunberg to a Swedish diplomat regarding the treatment she experienced?
Sensationalists claims stop being sensationalist when they are confirmed with objectively verifiable facts. That’s when claims should be accepted. Until then, the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer.
I think that’s needlessly infantilizing her. She’s 22. She’s not a “little kid”. I think she’s old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a “little kid”?
I absolutely think of 22 as a little kid, but I was there when the last Woolly Mammoth died, so it’s somewhat relative.
Idk, to me “little kid” means “not in school yet”. It’s the “little” that makes the difference, compared to just calling someone a kid or kiddo.
I’m with you. Little kids are like infants and toddlers and shit. Not a 22 year old adult woman.
The youth should have their opinions respected too.
I’m not going to take political opinions from a 3 year old, which is about what I’m thinking when someone says “little kid”. Teenagers, like she was when she got famous, can have enough context about the world that their opinions, particularly about things like sustainability, equality, etc, are valid.
Depends on how old the person saying that. I’m only in my late 30’s and anyone in their early 20’s does feel like a kid. Yes, 22 is an adult, but you’ve barely just scratched the surface of life experiences.
Throw another war crime on the fire…
Can we just jump to tribunals yet?
Why are you still posting? Literally everyone is tired of you.
Everyone? LOL.
Everyone.
3 downvotes with +108 says otherwise.
I decided to demoderate Jordan in the communities we are in together, as I just am tired of all the drama. I hope he understands that.
Again, not “everyone”. More upvotes since then.
Your psychology is remarkable. It’s a shame you aren’t a top mod anymore.
For those of you doubting the claims for lack of evidence, stating that you’ll “wait for the facts” or evidence before allowing yourslf to be outraged—
Where is your outrage for the countless other people who were there who personally testified to being beaten, abused, and paraded around like trophies?
There are already multiple interviews with Chris Smalls, a black American labor organizer, who directly confirmed that he had been beaten, choked, packed like a sardine into a small cell, sleep deprived, strip searched, and completely brutalized by the Israeli navy and prison system.
Ask yourself—why does this need to have happened to the appropriately aged, white, European female on a 4k, live streamed or recorded feed with corroborating testimony by the Israelis and the national newspapers of the country of origin of the supposed victim—why is that the bar you’ve set for credulity?
What does that say about you or your reaction to the situation?
Wake. Up.
Fuck the details, fuck the squabbling over what constitutes “roughness” versus physical assault. Fuck the inclination to want to hear “the other side” of the story. Things are going horribly wrong in Israel/Palestine—in a place that we’ve all been told over and over is supposed to be demonstrably above reproach. If even half these claims are true—if even a single one of them is true—what GOOD is it preserving the supposed beacon of democracy in the middle east when they treat foreigners this way?
Even if you think these activists are mentally unwell, or menaces, or being performative, or just doing this for “selfies”—so what? We all know these activists are obviously not terrorists and at least some of them genuinely believe what they are doing. None of this justifies their treatment. Nothing justifies the richest and proudest countries on earth—however much you might agree with that claim—what GOOD is that if our prisons condemn people to absolute squalor and abandonment to the whims of their guards?
HOW is this any different from the indignity camps? These peoples possessions were seized as trophies , their clothes taken, their bodies crammed together like chattel. Do there need to be ovens for there to be discernable lines? Must you feel the radiant heat on your own brows before you’ll indulge the sensation that something isn’t right here?
Wake. Up.
Waiting for the facts is a pretty sensible move in most situations.
Those facts you were waiting for, btw:
“Greta Thunberg: I was tortured, beaten and starved by Israel” - The Telegraph, 15 October 2025
I appreciate you posting this but I think the news broke on that like week ago. https://www.reuters.com/world/greta-thunberg-alleges-torture-israeli-detention-after-gaza-flotilla-arrest-2025-10-07/ It seems she has since gone into more detail though
Agreed, or at least wait for Greta to tell us herself.
Almost certainly an AI generated response. opinion disregarded
Lol, you’re just too illiterate to want to read anything longer than two sentences long.
Lazy fuck.
Israel is a fucking terrorist country. IDF is a new SS. They are new Nazi.
“Never again” meant “Never again to us” for the ZioNazis.
They will never live this down either. Netanyahu’s government has destroyed Israeli reputation for decades to come.
Idk why this is treated as though its so inconceivable. Greta is hated by conservatives around the world. Most countries have already condemned Israel. They only care what Trump’s regime thinks. Their prisons are notorious centers of physical emotional and sexual torture. This is relatively mild treatment in comparison to many of the accounts I’ve read. It’s still awful, but if they were going to invent a story about how vile the Israeli prison guards were, this wouldnt be noteworthy in any way. Barely even scratches the surface of the things that happen in those prisons.
They abused her less than some other people so it is ok. What kind of dumb logic is that?
Where did i say it was okay? It is abhorrent. I said that if they were going to invent a story about her graphic torture, this abuse is comparatively minor compared with other accounts from Israeli prisons.
English really needs to stop calling the right wing “conservatives”. We don’t call them that in other languages, and they literally don’t try to conserve things, but instead always seek to destroy.
Not all the right wing is conservative of course and you are right about it, but you are wrong about the meaning of conservative, being a conservative mean those who in politics uphold the value of tradition, oppose any progressive ideology, and aim to preserve traditional social and political structures
Bruh, reminds me of the stories I heard about ww2 when the imperial japanese army invaded my homeland China, they would force people to kneel and sing the japanese national anthem under the threat of execution if people didn’t comply. Its so evil disgusting villainy.
They are the evil they claim to be fighting
I’m starting to think Israel aren’t the good guys…
Regardless of what your opinions on Palestine might be, Israel really isn’t beating the allegations right now.
I remember what I learned in school about this, it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago, I don’t know, but it really doesn’t describe what’s going on right now.
The war is over. Israel won, Palestine barely even exists anymore. This is the part where you’re supposed to facilitate aid and win over the losers to your side. dafuq flavor of genocide you dune Israel?
of course, nobody who needs to read this will ever see it. I’m just upset that this kind of thing can even happen in current year.
Of course the second, I’m looking at current events like it’s still 2015. not sure why I’m doing that, but fuck does current events make me miss 2015.
This whole flotilla thing was a propganda mission (everyone knew the boats were never going to get to Gaza), those participating are going to say anything to promote anti-Israel propaganda.
Geta Thunberg is 22 years old, she’s an adult. The “little Greta” bullshit is really grating. To be clear no one (whether an adult or a child) should be treated in the ways that have been alleged (which is how Hamas treats their prisoners, where’s the outrage over that?) but come on people, stop playing it up like Thunberg is a child. It just makes it obvious that she’s being used as a prop in their propaganda.
Is it possible that greta herself was provocing the israelis? She doesnt seem to be the type to sit silent. And she probably feels like they cant do anything to her, because of her fame.
NOBODY should EVER be imprisoned, starved, and forced to kiss things. Hope you can sit silent if that happens to you. Absolute useless person blaming the victim.
The victim plays a part in how they are treated. You can compare with walking up to an American police officer and acting all cocky. These people hate when they are not respected. If Greta was not famous, this behavior would actually be quite dangerous and she could get killed.
What makes you say Greta was cocky? She deserves to be tortured for sailing on her own terms doing her own thing? You’re acting very cocky and I don’t appreciate your lack of respect for basic human rights.
Doing her own thing? You know she is a famous activist right? She went on that boat knowing what would happen of course. This media attention is also what she wanted to happen.
This is classic victim blaming. “You knew you would get attacked, so it’s your fault, not the attacker’s fault.”
Her goal is to get food to starving people. Media attention furthers that goal, even if they don’t succeed directly in delivering food.
I agree with that, she is trying to do good here. I dont think im victim blaming since I dont see an activist provocing Israeli soldiers as being a victim. She is trying to achieve her goals.
stop just commenting here on lemmy. Get your social media accounts back. Add each other. Post this stuff everywhere. Take back all these spaces. It’s like 15 minutes of work to actually accomplish something instead of just being mad. If you’re willing to protest but can’t be bothered to create a login then there’s something wrong. Posting content is a form or protesting in today’s world.
A lot of assumptions going on here
Are they wrong? Want to look at the general comment section of any post online outside of lemmy?
Once again another assumption, I was saying they’re wrong in assuming no one here is posting this to other places, you don’t know what we’re doing, they just went on the attack from the get go and that’s an immediate way to alienate instead of cooperate.
I get you’re mad, the situation is atrocious, you cannot control it, you can control how you respond to it.
Framing it as an absolute is wrong. Never said nobody is. But a significant number of users here have purged all other social media. That was the Exodus
The platforms you have in mind are not neutral spaces that we could “take back”. The architecture of these networks actively works against us. They are designed to promote right-wing liberal propaganda, at the very least. We can’t win there. It’s a fight against windmills. It’s better to encourage the people around you to switch to the Fediverse.
How? You’re wrong entirely. It’s a numbers game. Always has been. Their algorithm only tries to suppress it. It can’t stop it. Right now the architecture works in our favor it just takes numbers. Which is why they invested so much in making leftist retreat and delete their accounts. It’s why you said what you just said. They don’t want you showing up with numbers like we use to. This is a game of repetition. People are influenced and change opinion only when they are faced with an overwhelming number of that one opinion every day. So they convinced us to remove ourselves and not fight back.
