• myrmidex
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    9 hours ago

    Very interesting viewpoint but it doesn’t quite seem to apply when choosing flavors at an ice cream parlor.

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      48 minutes ago

      It does, actually. Ice cream can put you at grave risk of brain freeze.

      If you want to be philosophical about it, consider this: If there weren’t pros and cons, you wouldn’t be making a choice at all. (You would be acting arbitrarily.)

      And even breathing has downsides. For instance, it means I must continue sharing the planet with you. This is terrible news. (Also my nose is cold.)

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        8 hours ago

        It does, actually. Ice cream can put you at grave risk of brain freeze.

        Good point! Then again, I don’t think some flavors result in less brain freeze than others.

        Even breathing has downsides.

        True as well, every breath destroys lung cells.

        If you want to be philosophical about it, consider this: If there weren’t pros and cons, you wouldn’t be making a choice at all.

        This, however, I’m having a hard time to agree with. Come to think of it, I’m not even sure choice is something natural, but that will require some deeper investigation to ascertain. In a fictional natural state, when looking for a place to sleep, would a “family” really (have to) make a conscious choice between this cave and that one?

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          Thanks! To your last point, I see any meaningful choice as fundamentally deliberative. If competing actions have no discriminating features (over which to deliberate), e.g., by being equally bad or good, then your decision would be arbitrary. Acting at random isn’t a deliberative procedure (evaluative, judgment-oriented, rule-bounded, normative, moral, or praiseworthy) and therefore not a meaningful choice.