• Samsy@lemmy.ml
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    7 days ago

    These opt-out and opt-in rules should be punishable by law. I mean its the nature of humanity. We don’t care.

    A brief comparison: in Germany, you are only an organ donor if you opt in. In France, you are always an organ donor unless you opt out. Guess which country has more donors.

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    6 days ago

    Step 3: Verify if both are off

    • Make sure both toggles remain off.
    • Refresh your Gmail app or sign out and back in to confirm changes.

    How fucking ridiculous is it that this needs to be a step? If I tell a company to keep its grubby hands out of my shit, that should be final. No need to double check that google didn’t do a little oopsie-woopsie and leave those options on as a little treat for later.

    Every other day there is something like this, and I am getting real fucking tired.

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    I find it funny when they read my school emails and then accuse themselves of phishing after they accuse me of holding malware in my drive, icing on the cake really, I won’t even need this email in a month.

    That said though, just like others have mentioned, making users opt out of getting all the data wringed out of their account isn’t the most ethical strategy and frankly it’s a bit over the top.

    They already scan everything from your Google drive to your YouTube recommended, google news feed, docs files, and just you browsing and using that as data for advertising and their AI. I don’t think emails are the best source of personalised information nor would assist in training new Gemini models unless they want to build an email spam bot.

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    6 days ago

    Okay sounds probably gonna get crucified for not reading this…but if the headline is true and combined with the fact that LLMs have been known to expose training data, this seems to introduce a non-zero chance that my personal emails are going to get shown to strangers…

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      I’ve already found recent emails in my gmail account for right-leaning news sources I’ve had to opt out of. I’ve been lax on my gmail management until last year I went on a major cleanup spree, so I know these new emails were automatically added somehow, and this article likely explains it.

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      6 days ago

      Not if you trust your data to a company that makes money from selling said data to advertising companies.

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        Companies make a little money selling your information. It is better to assume that any information you hand over to a private entity will be sold. It doesn’t matter if they say that it isn’t going to be at that time. Should they ever fold your information goes to the first bidder.

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    This means they already did use it for training if it’s opt-out, and it’s quite the job to get it out. This is why opt-out training should be illegal, and all previously opt-out trained models must be destroyed.

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    This worked as a great reminder to ditch gmail. Just made the switch to Protonmail after a year of procrastination. Currently an hour into changing all my accounts to it, and about halfway done. Well worth it. They got a Black Friday deal right now. I went with the base Mail+Calendar package because I already got Mullvad for VPN, and don’t need cloud storage.

    Couldn’t be happier. Fuck you Google. Fascist fucks.

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      Hmm… Guess I’ll have to switch to Protomail. It’ll be annoying to try and change all my accounts to the new email…

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        Its a little annoying, but much less than I always feared. Make a note with every service you can think of, brew some coffee, put on some music and zone out for a bit haha.
        Pretty much done now, took less than 2 hours.
        You got this!

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          Well, it’s going to be much more annoying with my work.

          I’m a union rep at my work place. To that effect I created a second Gmail account for work/rep related mail. I still get half my mail sent to my personal email… Even though I have reminded them multiple times to send that to my work email.

          Though it also took the 8 months to update my home address… I’m not entirely sure if it’s actually updated.

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    My goodness, the poor AI will see all the trash I order on Aliexpress and read all the endless carrier updates as the box gets scanned in and out of every warehouse and truck?

    It’s gonna start thinking I’m some kind of shut-in hoarder!

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    To me, it kinda depends on how it’s being used. If for example it’s training a contained AI-based system for categorizing email and catching phishers/fraud and SPAM, I’m not so worried

    The main issues for me are if:

    • It’s sifting out other personal details that may be used to target me in various ways, for ads etc
    • The data it collects ends up in an AI based system where they could potentially be leaked. Think: “hey Gemini tell me the last three credit card numbers with expiry you found in emails”