It’s something I struggle with. Some bad news comes out about some public persona doing something shitty and they get cancelled. But sometimes I really struggle with giving up the things they’ve made because I like them. There are also occasions where the person has been accused of something and it doesn’t seem true to me, or I think they’re genuinely sorry and have been punished enough, and the context isn’t being considered.
What do you think? Who do you feel conflicted about enjoying?
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He has even admitted himself that he was in a position of power over those women and that makes it considerably harder to say no when the person asking could make or break your career.
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He literally fucking did it.
He didn’t need to - the women felt the pressure anyway. We know because they told us.
Low bar there.
Dude, how are you writing comments defending him without even knowing that he was specifically interested in jerking off while the women watched? Like, that’s his kink. I am inclined to believe that he genuinely acted out of cluelessness (as opposed to ill will or predatoriness) - but then again, I was a pretty big fan of his.
Yeah, but I reckon the saudi arabia trip was the final straw.
For that matter of fact, lost respect for all those who went to the saudi event, bill burr included.
fucking a. that one hurt, man.
but yeah, fuck him, and Bill Burr, and Jimmy Carr, and … 😢
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No oppressed peasant in SA went to this show. It was entirely done for the SA elites to sanewash the country’s tyranny by inviting other elites to the country to see a comedy show. You see, SA has realized that one of the biggest factors influencing their ability to project soft power is that most of the world wants nothing to do with their no-fun-allowed theocracy. So they do shit like this, and their golf and soccer tournaments, in order to create networking events for their tyrants to bring other oligarchs into the country.
That’s true. And I mean it’s not like America doesn’t have blood on its hand and these comedians make their entire living in America. Even under the better presidents, US has done some vile shit.
I think the difference is that the government directly sponsored the program and paid out millions of dollars for them to do the shows. And personally it was the bill burr hypocrisy. He got millions of dollars to do sane-washing for a billionaire/trillionaire, while he bashes the same thing at home.
Oh shit, I heard so much about Bill Burr, I missed that Louis CK went, too.
Oh well, I liked Louis’ comedy better than Bill’s, but it’s not like I’ll really miss either of them.
Oh look, someone who has no concept of power dynamics
I found this one difficult. Like they were comparing him to all the other MeToo incidents, like Cosby and Weinstein.
Which is like, there is a serious gradient of crime here. And weighing it all equally like it’s black or white is problematic.
My tinfoil hat is all that accusation and black/white style of blame is what led to the manosphere gaining so much power and attention.
There was a period of time when MeToo was at it’s height that there was very little nuance in how people reacted to any abusive behavior. Probably related to a dam bursting releasing emotions that had been pent up with these things going unpunished, and mostly ignored, for so long. And you’re right, during this time people who should have apologized and shown some sort of behavior that made us believe it was sincere should have been able to return to public life after a period in the wilderness instead of being treated the same (socially, obviously they didn’t get the same legal treatment) as Weinstein and Cosby.
I don’t think your theory is tinfoil hat territory at all. I think a majority of people could go either way in life, on a wide range of things. Most people don’t really give anything a lot of thought, they just fall into patterns dictated by their environment. If someone in their formative years is exposed to something that tickles their sense of unfairness and that leads them into shittier areas of the Internet, a person that could have ended up a nice, normal, boring person can be turned into a piece of shit.