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- fuck_ai@lemmy.world
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Also, don’t leave your account unused, delete it. User and follower numbers count.
And least as important, reply (if necessary to another corporate mail address) every email with Twitter/X in the footer, with a kind request to stop promoting and facilitating X.
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Run by a literal Nazi
In case someone thinks “Oh, he’s just an alt-right troll, he doesn’t actually believe in that stuff”, meet Elon’s grandfather:
He became involved in Canadian politics, backing the technocracy movement, before moving to South Africa in 1950. Over the course of decades, Haldeman repeatedly expressed racist, antisemitic, and antidemocratic views.[1] In South Africa he was a supporter of apartheid and promoted a number of conspiracy theories.
He also supported Technocracy, Inc and the Technate of America https://bostonraremaps.com/inventory/technocracy-inc-technate-of-america-1940/
This in turn would necessitate the abandonment of democracy and the embrace of a technocracy—government by an unelected, technically skilled, empirically-driven elite with the expertise necessary to determine values and make rational resource-allocation decisions
Sounds a lot like one of Elon’s beliefs, doesn’t it?
Strange how people who think this way never assume they’ll be one of the people on the outside, letting others make the important decisions. Whenever there’s an elite, they imagine they’ll be part of that elite.
It’s a good day as any to move to Mastodon.
That’s true, but Bluesky is also 100 times better than X and probably a more feasible/realistic alternative for all kinds of companies/sports clubs/government agencies/etc. Although I prefer Mastodon in principle, I am quite sceptical about the chance that it will be seen (by the general public) as such a good alternative to X that they will actually consider themselfs being able to leave X.
The problem with Bluesky is that it’s essentially centralized, with all the related drawbacks.
And its funding is pretty suspect.
Even if you trust the current leadership team, there’s no reason to believe they’ll remain in charge.
Bluesky will turn to shit, just give it time.
Repeating mistakes, taking years to drop a platform owned by a nazi to just run into the next US platform ready to be bought by some other billionaire Nazi… nothing was learnt, was it?
No, Mastodon. Bluesky is repeating the same mistakes
For those of us with the knowledge, it’s our responsibility to both sell the idea of Mastodon and help onboard people. On top of that, there’s many guides, at this point, about how to get involved, choose an instance, set up your feeds, etc.
It’s true that Bluesky is a much more seamless experience, because many options are hardcoded or pre-chosen for people, but if we can get people over the hump of making those choices for themselves, they’ll find it a much better place long term. Also, it’s strongly resistant to the antics of bad actors, so it’s a much better choice for governments and other groups. Bluesky does not enjoy the same natural defenses.
The problem with Bluesky is that it has exactly the same kind of legal structure (for-profit company) with the same kind of objective (make lots of money for founders and early investors) as Twitter, thus is just as likely to be bought by a Nazi billionaire.
If you’re leaving X because it turned into a Nazi bar after being bought by a Nazi, going to Bluesky is just setting yourself up for being in a similar situation again in a couple of years.
Who? A lot of people apparently. And basically all companies. And more or less all government institutions in all countries in the world.
Since few weeks I’m replying to all mails with X in the footer (newsletters as well as email signature of corporate mails) to tell them it would be great if they stop promoting this crappy outlet. Concise, polite and motivated.
From roughly half of them I didn’t get a reply yet. From the other half, a MAJORITY reacts positive. We all should know, the MAIN reason most organizations are still there, is because someone decided so in 2010 (!). They never thought about it afterward, because their audience / customer ‘never asks for that’.
Be. That. Customer / Reader. Who. DOES. Ask. For. That.
That’s a very good idea. I’ll also ask them to get off Facebook as well.
I wouldn’t. Not because I don’t think it’s a good idea, but I want to let them see that specifically X became a disgusting fascist deepfake childporn abyss. Adding fb as well, increases the risk they don’t quit any of them, because it might give them the illusion my message says more about me ‘being anti social media’ rather than about X in particular.
I see your point. I’m not certain that I agree with you, but I understand what you’re saying.
You’re basically asking them to give up on a promotion avenue and hence a revenue source in favor of morals. Corporations will never do this unless leaving X somehow financially outweighs staying there.
Right so we all start asking. All the time. Loudly.
Financially, or when their customers require so, or when damaging to their image. At least the latter two are quite influenceable.
If nobody was doing it, it would be a strange thing to pay money to put in an advertising space.
It is a strange thing to put money into it, considering not even csam is enough to make at least eu institutions to go away from x.
Seems like musk can do anything he wants. What’s worse than this?
I’d argue putting it into people’s field of view could sway an individual, and if one person can be moved, more could follow.
That side already proved that boycotting works, in their disgust of a trans-indivual advertising beer, and certain groups being mortally offended that folk could suggest BDS actions towards Israel.
A lot of these institutions are slow but done are moving. UK greens for example
The best moment to delete your Twitter account was ten years ago. The second best is now.
I deleted mine the day after Musk took it over, which is somewhere in the middle I think lol
“Moment” has multiple meanings, but one meaning is a synonym of a literal second.
Every moment, then, is the (Now.InSeconds() - BestMoment.InSeconds()).ToString() + “th” best time to delete your Twitter account.
“Won’t somebody think of the children?!” “Wait, no! Not like that!”
The lack of account deletions just shows how much child abuse means to them.
And hanging out with Nazis, and…
Personally at this point I’m looking at it even more generally: anybody whose Morality is such that they’re OK with the mass murdering of children in Gaza by Zionist for the “crime” of being Palestinian (the list of just babies 1 year old or younger killed by the Israelis just in the first 3 months of the Genocide is 17 pages long) isn’t going to Morally be above “merelly” using little children for sexual pleasure or more broadly the use of violence to force other human beings to do what you want that’s the core of Fascist thinking, especially the Nazi kind.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that somebody who justifies and supports any one form of extreme Evil is going to at the very least be uncaring in the face of other forms of extreme Evil.
Well yeah, this isn’t about just sexualising a specific group of people without concent, its the fact that X is fundamentally an acid bath that corrodes everyone that touches it. Nobody is safe in this case as everyone is impacted - no matter the age or gender.
My point is that the same mindset that’s relaxed about and even excuses some practices that harm some people is also relaxed about and excuse the same and other practices that harm other people.
Be me: never had account, never saw why would one want to have it
You don’t like screaming your opinion out into the void?
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I declare bankruptcy!
I signed up years ago when quite a few TV programs I watched would make announcements on Twitter, like when new series were starting and that type of thing. I also liked the idea of following certain institutions and celebs to keep up with their announcements. I was quite disappointed when I noticed a lot of info passing me by - I had encountered the algorithm.
I hadn’t logged in for years, and thought I had deleted my account, until just now when I tried it and found it still active. So, I just deactivated it and in 30 days it will be gone for good.
If you haven’t already quit then a whole lot of people have already made a whole lot of assumptions about your character.
And then there’s others who have been judging you all, the entire time, for ever using Twitter. It was always garbage, I never understood why it took off.
And those people are morons so why should I care
Anyone saying that still being on X means you’re a nazi is a lunatic and should not be allowed in a debate
Already did. Years ago.
Never had one, because it always sucked.
Idk why not using hell sites is so hard for people.
Never had one.
Samezies
I forgot if I still had an account. Yep but haven’t used it since covid probably. Deactivated it just now, guess it will delete in 30days.
Maybe the world could stop doing any business at all with this apartheid Nazi welfare queen? He’s trying to destroy your countries with Nazism and grift your tax dollars while selling out your privacy too
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Yeah see that’s cool, everyone’s entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that anything that normalizes the sexualization of children should be shamed and shunned.
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Ok so your position is just based on semantics then, because someone used the term “built in child abuse tool” instead of “built in child pornography generator”? Is that really a leg you wanna stand on?
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So you really were arguing that Twitter providing a built-in child porn generator isn’t a valid reason to leave it?
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Ok let’s start over. Ignore the context in the previous comments, pretend I’m asking you this for the first time, with no lead up:
Do you think it’s reasonable to leave Twitter because they provide a tool that can be used to generate child porn?
What the fuck?
Fictional child pornography is still child pornography. This is not just about abuse.
Twitter having a tool to create child pornography is an excellent of reason to quit Twitter.
Okay then, pedo John, thanks for the info
What was it trained on, though?
Even if what it produces is “not technically child abuse”, it was trained on how to make pretend child abuse, emulating what it has already seen. It uses previous child abuse as a guide to make stuff. It may also mix and match the real child abuse to make pretend child abuse. There might be real abused children in those images.
That’s bad, right?
That said, drawing a sexualized image of a fictional child is not child abuse, even if a machine does it. It lack the whole, you know, child being abused part that is kinda central to child abuse.
I get that, but the underlying detail is that for the “AI” to generate that, it most likely already saw it to begin with. Right-wing AI trained on child-porn, weird, i know, but it’s this timeline.
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A computer program trained off millions of pictures of people that the program’s parent company acquired by hook or by crook and now any photo you posted of your kids is fair game to be recycled into the most heinous shit imaginable at the press of a button by the kind of slug still using Twitter. There is abuse happening there, when they decided to build a machine that could take family photos put online by wellmeaning people and statistically morph them ship-of-Theseus style into pornography with no safeguards.
If I were a parent and even theoretically one pixel of hair on my child’s head were used as aggregate data for this mathematic new form of abuse by proxy, I’d be old testament mad. I would liken it to a kind of theft or even rape that we have no clear word for or legal concept of yet.
I would suggest just not defending this stuff in any way because you’re simply going to lose, or from your perspective, be dogpiled by people having what you perceive to be an extreme moral panic over this issue.
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I understand, albeit in layman’s terms, more or less what LLMs and image generators are doing, and used the ship of Theseus as shorthand referring to the processes by which real photos are laundered into data sets.
I am aware of the literal difference between an individual model and the data it trains on, and understand that Grok and it’s like are divorced from their output. I have even played with running a local model. This level of concern would be unwarranted if humans were decent and only trained Grok on and requested of Grok to generate puppies playing in open fields.
That doesn’t mean any image created by it henceforth is in any meaningful way a picture of you.
Of course not, it is a picture of hundreds of thousands or maybe millions of people who offered up varying degrees of consent* for the use of their bodies to make any kind of porn.
*Usually 0%, as data illegally scraped is not subject to a hostile TOS agreement if it is uploaded as training data by the scraper without even the knowledge or consent of the original company hosting the data
Like anyone who has ever seen a child or depiction of a child producing any sexually explicit illustration of any sort everafter, then? Because even human artists do not create ex nihilo, they start from a foundation of their cumulative experiences, which means anyone who has ever laid eyes on your child or a photo of your child is at some level incorporating some aspect of that experience however small into any artwork they create henceforth and should they ever draw anything explicit…
I think this largely speaks for itself as some of the worst words ever put together in any order generally. Comparing human creativity and how we draw inspiration from our forebears to the present subject is abhorrent. Imagining human minds turning every single speck of human flesh they see into jackoff material because you assume that is how the mind works because you learned it from a robot is beyond everything.
Die on some other hill unless you’re being paid well. This is a neo Nazi’s CSAM and propaganda machine. If they want to fix it, they’ll scrub their training data and figure out the weights and do a massive ban wave on the abusers. It is not on this world to suffer excuses for this hideous fucking bullshit.
What if we start referring to 𝕏 as “that child porn site” in a mainly neutral tone? Would that normalize it? I’d hope it would make people look inwards, but idk if 𝕏philes in 2026 have that capacity.
What’s X? Did you mean Twitter?
it’s X, Twitter already died years ago, we need to stop pretending it was still the same as back then.
You’ve obviously missed the joke.
It’s funny to call it Twitter because Elongated Muskrat went on a huge tirade of “it’s not Twitter! It’s X!”
Then we should call it the CP and nazi social media
Why not both? Both is good. Anything but what he wants it to be called.
I tend towards calling it simply “the hellsite” most times
that works too, my point is it’s better to associate it as a worse platform now rather than let people still cope that it is what it was to incentivize them to leave it for good.
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Those techbros actually have an unicode character?
I will now proceed to facepalm myself in a corner.
Did it once that loser bought the platform. I use Bluesky.
@CircaV @Europellinore Personally, I’m using Mastodon over BlueSky and I wonder why it has not got the same attention as bluesky :
- It’s decentralized and you can host your own, to help with data safety
- This also prevents it from turnuing into another twitter since if that happens, you can just host an old version or fork the code and continue updating it
- It’s compatible with activitypub, so you can post and reply on Lemmy from a Mastodon account, like this one!But yeah, it’s pretty annoying to switch from one platform to another since your followers are not likely to do the same. Maybe that’s why?
I tried mastodon. I guess I didn’t try hard enough. I will revisit.
got banned before that shitshow. thankfully. only lasted a few months. Rs are so fragile.
