Tux, FF and VLC have been dailies in my life for over a decade. Many MANY thanks to them, and to ALL those pipple.
🪟: absolutely atrocious. let’s do for-profit low quality software instead 😡
Reminds me a local youtuber saying something similar about non-profit companies.
They said it’s human nature to be driven by profit, so non-profits are profiting in some other way. Hence he prefers to give business to for profit companies as you know their intentions.
I’d doing something that makes you happy is a kind of profiting then he is right. But he is probably not that wholesome.
People at the heads of nonprofits are often highly compensated, and it’s rare that any of them solve the underlying problem or even make meaningful headway. It’s why there is so much “awareness” and short term band aids involved. A nonprofit that solves the problem it’s supposedly trying to solve has no reason to exist and will cost people well paying jobs managing it.
Oh the irony
Well unfortunately he’s right. Most non-profit companies are profiting off of things like your donations and such like that. You look at the Susan g Komen foundation for breast cancer awareness. Something like 5% maybe 10% of all donated funds actually go to breast cancer research. The rest of the funds are used to fund the staff including those that are in charge of the board. And they have massive paydays.
IDK, but I’d rather be the beta tester for some open source project, or even contribute code to it (I fixed a language server this way), than to pay premium for a software, which I won’t “own”, has a bunch of microtransactions, and becomes lower and lower in quality.
I wouldn’t call a lot if those “high quality”
Ngl if those are “bad quality” I don’t know what my personal projects are.
Even accounting for how self-critical I am with my old code.Like which ones?
OpenTTD is the pinnacle of open source software. They should have stopped there
As someone who recently started getting into digital art, I’m genuinely shocked at how good Krita is.
This is a raster graphics editor that could could potentially rival the likes of Photoshop, Affinity Photo and Paint Shop Pro in terms of features. GIMP by comparison is dogshit.
Why on earth is OpenOffice here??
LibreOffice is the maintained fork.
It has been that way for 16 years now.
16 years.
There are people working full time jobs who were born the same year that LibreOffice started.
Stop promoting OpenOffice. People will have problems with it that have been long fixed in LibreOffice.
Edit: typo
Tbf I haven’t used either extensively (or at least the features I’ve used in either have been very basic one), but I haven’t had any issues with OpenOffice. What are some of the issues you’re referring to in OpenOffice? Personally I tend to prefer it because I just think it looks nicer, but clearly there are some issues with it I’m unaware of.
It’s been over 10 years since I tried it, but at that time it was common for OpenOffice to have compatibility issues with MS office formats, but those issues were already fixed in LibreOffice.
Because I can understand “Open” while “Libre” sounds strange. — most people, probably
What is only office then?
OnlyOffice was an office suite developed by Sun Microsystems. Oracle stopped development whel they bought Sun. eventually the developers got fed up and founded the Open Document Foundation. oracle threw kind of a hissy fit, then eventually gave up and donated Open Office to the Apache foundation. Apache alleges Open Office is an active project, but they’re just shuffling deck chairs. Open Office is dead, and Oracle killed it. Libre Office is what Open Office used to be, and moreedit: what the fuck is only office?
I think you misread “only office” as “open office”. Though, you typed both in your reply… 🤔
ah shit. you’re right. sr moment. what the fuck is only office?
Haha classic.
Good info in this comment https://lemmy.world/comment/22430995
Its only office.
Only Office is an open source free suite that is developed by Ascension System SIA. It is open source but has a paid option for corporate support. It offers cloud storage servers or local server storage.
When I retired, I wanted to ditch LibreOffice because I just don’t need a full office suite anymore. So I tried Only Office for a bit. It’s kind of like the office suite we have at home. It’s fine for most people. But I always had issues with it dying on me under Fedora and Mint.
After a while, I realized I didn’t even need that much office anymore. So I’m back to where it all began on Linux-- AbiWord and Gnumeric. That’s all I need anymore. It’s refreshing how a mere 125Gigs of storage on a cheap mini desktop can show what you really only need.
Thank you
firefox? no profit incentive? we wish
Same can be said about the Linux Kernel.
Why is Firefox there?
Openoffice-> LibreOfficeSeriously, don’t use OpenOffice, it’s abandoned for over 10 years.
I stand by blender being the absolute best piece of software I have ever used.
Blender is abso-freaking-great, I just wish they would have been less pokey pokey with the UI over the years.
Search: how do i do X in blender
Answer: Ctrl-Alt-Shift-_
Me: Doesn’t work
Answer: bobbit menu, right pane, third box down
Me: Not there
Answer: Rightclick from x mode and press Y
Me: Not there
so you live in an insane asylum? Powerful, but the least intuitive UI ever.
Intuition is based on experience i guess. Blender was the first non-CAD modelling software i used, and i quickly learned that the search tool in blender is the primary UI gateway. Made everything really quick and easy to find, and any questions I have had was answered by the great community around Blender.
Came a long way since pre 2.8
I love that OpenTTD made the list
So many people let perfect be the enemy of good. Firefox is great. It’s the pillar of non-Chromium of browsers. Servo and Ladybird are not there yet and will take many years to surpass Firefox if ever. A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
GIMP is great software. Is it just Photoshop and Affinity better than it. Not seeing as much hate on Inkscape when it’s just Adobe and Affinity as better.
OpenOffice is outdated but was good for like ~2010
A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread
I use Firefox because Google killed Manifest v2 support and (with it) uBlock Origin. Unfortunately they seem to be heading towards the AI slop route.
Yes, Edge and Brave exist but one is maintained by Microslop and will likely also follow in Google’s footsteps, and the other I don’t particularly trust because they have a homophobe as CEO and did some crypto token shit with their ad system.
A bunch of y’all would have been ragging on Blender 10 years ago. Ragging on Krita. In 2012 acting like gaming in Linux was doomed. In 2015 acting like Kdenlive would never reduce crashes and improve functionality. Acted like Darktable would never be competitive with Lightroom. Godot would be no good for anything more than 2d sidescrollers and never compete with Unity 5. A bunch of do nothing fence sitters. Firefox and GIMP developers contribute more to the good of humanity than anyone crying about them in this thread
The last time I used Linux as a desktop OS was around 2008. Back then the state of FOSS was absolutely dire.
I used to have a shitty Packard Bell PC at home which was weirdly partitioned, 20GB dedicated to the C:\ partition and 100GB dedicated to D:. An asshole “friend” at school goaded me into pirating Norton PartitionMagic and using it to merge the two partitions and pretty much totalled my Windows installation. As I didn’t have a backup CD I had to use Ubuntu for a few months.
The only game I genuinely got working on Linux was World of Warcraft and even installing that was a pain. WC3 was supposedly “Platinum” on Wine’s AppDB but would often freeze and didn’t support using the mouse to move the camera. Some versions also couldn’t connect online.
Fastfoward to today and gaming on Linux has evolved by leaps and bounds, in large part thanks to Valve. The only games you genuinely can’t get running are those with kernel level anticheat software.
A Firefox fork has a better shot than those 2
Yes.
For example, LibreWolf skipped the AI forced-down-the-throat drama.
I think maybe LibreWolf only ships with Debian, by default; but it is also in the repositories for Mint, and so I assume also Ubuntu.
Librowolf is not a fork, just a set of patches on top of Firefox stable.
I swear, the biggest obstacle standing in the way of wider open source software adoption is “open source fans” who seem to reflexively hate every open source project out there. Nothing is ever good enough for them
So many people suck up for the better of two bad options. You can use it and still give it deserved criticism, you won’t hurt it’s (or the wealthy Firefox exec team’s) feelings.
Sure it’s great, but man Mozilla won’t get my money, same for Wikimedia
I’ve been learning FreeCAD recently and it’s pretty incredible too!
Is FreeCAD good for 3D printing stuff? I started learning fusion but I’m kinda digusted by being tied to autodesk
I’d say so! I made some 3D-printed pipes to connect my snake’s terrarium extension as my first real project and they turned out pretty good. But I have no comparisons to other CAD software haha
I just started making some headway into using it and I’ve found it way less intuitive than Fusion. It also seems to be more finnicky about constraints and such. Like I wasn’t able to extrude something because I had lines intersecting each other. Just have to be more methodical and use more sketches I guess. Im still on my first project with it though and haven’t gotten to the point of printing anything yet though so take that with a grain of salt.
It’s so ugly and unintuitive in the beginning, but when it clicks and you finally get it, it is pretty awesome (and surprisingly lightweight)
Apache OpenOffice??
Surely you meant LibreOffice. OpenOffice has basically been dead for years, with no significant work going on.
Lmao I’ve been doing a digital forensics class online, and it’s always got VMs with ancient versions of software on it, so I got to discover what Apache OpenOffice was. Love that they have to use FOSS to teach us shit since Windows needs a subscription.
Typo
I almost wrote dogital forensics. Is that using dogs to find data? Sniff out that hard drive and get datadumping boy!
Find the rhino pics!
Jesus those images must be 15-20 years old. I guess that’s probably still good enough for the basics but there’s been a lot of changes since then.
We’re always on some ancient Kali version and Windows XP to 10, and once we used some Linux Distro I’d never heard of in my life. The software is Autopsy, OSForensics, ProDiscover Basic 64, Hex Workshop, and more, a bonus one being IceWeasel (now known as GNU IceCat?). I genuinely want to gouge my eyes out when looking at the old Kali.
get datadumping boy!
remember to scoop the poop after
It’s an older image, not updated.
OpenOffice was dead before it was transferred to Apache, so it’s not old enough to excuse.
That Firefox logo is from 2019. Oracle killed OpenOffice in 2011. Like, they actually completely stopped all work on it. They intentionally killed it at least eight years before this image was made.
I agree that it shouldn’t be there. LibreOffice is the clear replacement.
LibreOffice just doesn’t roll of the tongue like OoenOffice though. Which really sucks. I even catch myself saying it when I mean LibreOffice.
To expand further on your point, here are the releases for Apache Open Office (OO). We are at 4.1.6. the page for 4.1 release was last updated in 2014. It’s been mainly small bug fixes since then.
https://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/
LibreOffice (LO) and Open Office were essentially the same application at OO 4.0 vs LO 4.1. LO had 3 major releases by 2023 before it went from 7 to 24. With the annual releases it is me difficult to gauge progress in the same way. But we are already at 26.2.
LibreOffice has been updated? Interface still looks like it was designed for Windows 95.
Is there an office suite you had in mind that looks futuristic? Comparing a slightly old version of LibreOffice with a modern version of MS Office… They look pretty similar to me? (The gray document background in libreoffice is from me, it defaults to something closer to MS office).
I haven’t used Apple’s suite much, but it’s likely that LO could learn something from it, for the simple reason that Apple knows about the principles of grouping in design and thus never subscribed to the approach of ‘cram lots of buttons in the toolbars without spacing’.
However, changing the paradigm of the existing UI is probably a big ask.
Ah, I assumed you were comparing it to MS Office as the gold standard, and chose the tabbed mode to make it closest to that, though I don’t personally use it that way myself.
LibreOffice has a simpler mode, though not quite as bare-bones as your Apple example. It’s how I how use it personally:
There’s also a Sidebar mode, which can collapse out of the way when not in use, or be brought back by pressing a small button on the side of the program.
I agree it could stand to offer a mode with much more spacing and just the essential options, but I think for the most part, the simpler toolbar mode which I use is pretty adequate, and doesn’t feel overwhelming to use.
Alternatively, Libreoffice is quite customizable, so a user can remove every option from the toolbar they never use, and make it appear nicer and less cramped.
assumed you were comparing it to MS Office
I’m not the guy to whom you originally replied, so I’m just chiming in with my observations. I would never pose MS’ design as anything to aspire to, because MS only recently learned about the principles of grouping, which is very basic design stuff. Their design philosophy for ages consisted of crammed toolbars, crammed lists, and crammed tables.
Unfortunately, LibreOffice isn’t better in this regard, and won’t be until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow). Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through. Other Mac apps are the same way, usually including third-party ones because they follow Apple’s guidelines. Btw, iirc the toolbars are typically customizable.
Ah, so you are! My mistake :p
until they work on the UI toolkit to allow a different approach (like e.g. Firefox does allow)
Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around? That would be cool to have in Libreoffice.
Apple’s UI is good not because it’s ‘bare-bones’, but because it organises elements visually instead of piling them all into a giant toolbar for the user to wade through.
Could definitely see that as a big improvement, even as someone quite used to the Windows 95 way of doing things (or at least, I prefer the old way to the ribbon), hopefully someone who has a similar itch to us as well as the capabilities to implement it does so someday :)
Like how Firefox lets you drag and drop icons and spacers around?
Yeah, the spacers are the key thing here, because humans perceive spaced-out things to be topically distinct. Meanwhile Windows always offered separator bars to divide groups of buttons in the toolbars, which of course added visual noise. Idk what toolkit LO uses, but from what I’ve seen Java UIs typically follow Windows’ conventions.
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LibreOffice’s look stems in large part from the UI toolkit that they use. Which was guaranteed to look like Windows, since LO is made in Java, and is not gonna be changed easily.
It still looks and behaves like StarOffice.
The templates they include look ancient as well. They do have a mediocre copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
I mean, there’s no such thing as a good copy of Microsoft’s ribbon interface.
All of the ones here are pretty old, so I can believe the meme is over 10 years old with mayve the firefox logo swapped out
