• Fishnoodle@lemmy.world
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    What if Iran ends up breaking the backs of corporate America? As an American, I’m not against that…

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    American here. Can someone start a go fund me for Iran, on the condition that participants are allowed to attend an exclusive event for the live tar and feathering of Zuck the Cuck and Peter Theil? We could probably raise more money than the tech bros have.

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    Since America and Israel attacked Iranian Economic Interests when they bombed oil producing facilities, it’s entirelly fair for Iran to respond in kind.

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    Russia had some reputation of being a large and powerful army, but as soon as they attacked Ukraine it showed the world it actually had shit. It basically lost its credibility of being a world power because their arsenal is old fashioned and they were just throwing in bodies.

    I feel the US is going through the same. Everyone saw them as an undefeatable nation, but this little stint in Iran had their stockpiles dropping faster than expected and it’s not going as they expected. Hegseth and Trump contradict each other and besides squandering their soft power over the past years, they are also showing that their military might has limits.

    They are both still to be reckoned with and they are capable of doing great harm to innocent bystanders, but my view has changed a bit.

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      I think the issue is that offense is harder than defense. A defender generally has the home advantage in terms of logistics, familiarity with the area and political will. The difference this makes is hard to estimate, and even harder so if you’re not even aware of it. Combined with delusions of grandeur, this is a recipe for underestimating the enemy.

      And call me a cynic, but I suspect neither Cadet Bone Spurs nor Major “Warrior Ethos” “Signal Chat” “American Crusade” Boozeth are entirely qualified to make high-level military judgements.

      (Neither is my armchair general ass whose only education in the matter is some MilHist blogs and articles, but at least I’m not an actual general charged to actually make them.)

      For Putin, I’m not sure. I’m disinclined to believe he’s just ignorant about the tenacity a people under attack can develop, given Russian history, but I can only make unqualified guesses.

      Either way, as you say, I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end, because a blunt and rusty axe still hurts, and they don’t seem concerned about where they swing it and who’s in the way.

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        Cadet Bone Spurs and Major Boozeth, like The Little Austrian Corporal and his gang of thugs, would ignore the advice from their best field commanders and military advisors and create a cluster fuck. The US military will beat the Iranian forces on a conventional battlefield, but the ensuing partisan war and occupation will become a nightmare. One more thing, the Israelis should be forced to use their ground forces if an invasion of Iran occurs.

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          One more thing, the Israelis should be forced to use their ground forces if an invasion of Iran occurs.

          Absolutely. The prospect of US soldiers dying for Zionist supremacy is despicable.

          I can’t wait to read that headline and puke.

          Edit: Aaaaaand here it is 🤮

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        I suspect an offense against the USA would be easy to pull off. The low standards of ICE and the nature of their operation would allow just about any organized actor to have a free hand in the US, if they chose to do so.

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          I suspect an offense against the USA would be easy to pull off.

          I suspect nothing in war is ever easy, and something the size of the US comes with certain operational challenges. Establishing air superiority would be difficult, for instance, and without it, transporting troops, supplies or equipment over longer distances is difficult. Consider the difficulties Putin has in Ukraine, and then scale that up to US proportions.

          The low standards of ICE and the nature of their operation would allow just about any organized actor to have a free hand in the US, if they chose to do so.

          Covert operations? Probably. Asymmetrical warfare? Possibly.

          Full-scale assault, with the objective to take and hold key administrative centers to force concessions? Hardly.

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      A full on invasion will be much more difficult than Irak. The US probably could do this but it’s going to be costly, forever and very unpopular. US military would be bound up for a long time.

      Good question what the goal is supposed to be now. Trump may just declare it over somehow.

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      Poorly executed military action is 100% an American institution. We expect it - from the Bay of Pigs to “Mission Accomplished” in Iraq to the twenty year campaign in Afghanistan, our executive branch has a habit of making itself look incompetent.

      But guess what? Nobody’s asking about Epstein, so VICTORY!

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      Doesn’t matter how advanced your weapons are if you have not enough money to use enough of them and not enough soldiers that would like to come and kill other people that can also fight them back. So, while the USA has high defending potential, it has not enough politically approved resources for a long occupational war. Only short quick operations are now possible, since the USA citizens are against the war and greatly affect the leadership authority of current government, so that it cannot waste money to launch a full scale war as it was before. Especially, because of this doesn’t pleases oligarchs which have great leverage in this situation.

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      The drop in stockpiles was the point.

      You say oops, then spend a fuck ton of defense budget and order a fuck ton of munitions from your war-machine buddies.

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      You have no idea about the NATO-Russia war nor how modern attrition wars work. Can’t blame you, MSM are a hall of distorted mirrors.

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      they should reply with their own decapitation strike.

      though its kind of spineless of the people to rely on outside forces to do it.

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        Does Iran actually have the range to be a threat to the US? The last stats I saw had their maximum range and maybe enough to strike the Mediterranean and maybe a little inland in Italy and Spain. That’s a far cry from being able to hit the US mainland. Hell even South Africa is probably out of range and it’s not like they can deploy ships to close the gap.

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          Iran has a different war strategy that the US is incredibly unprepared for. They spin up terror cells around the world using the atrocities commuted by their targets to justify their actions to impressionable people. The US keeps fighting this fight by giving them exactly the ammunition they need to keep fighting. Terror cells get fed into the mulcher but keep on coming back and the US pretends that’s a success.

          I live in a hopeless country that has no desire to improve anything, just to conquer. Trump burning everything down is probably better for the world since we won’t have the power to abuse them anymore but fuck if he’s not going to kill us all in the process.

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    I want this war to end as soon as possible, but is this a surprise?

    They’re taking on hundreds of millions from the Pentagon, they are military contractors.

    I do not think bombing data centers will result in more than sporadic regional service disruptions though. Data will just get routed through other regions and increase latency. That’s what the internet was invented for and AWS + Google run multi zone clouds.

    It’s yet to be seen if Iranian hackers can deal any real damage to these companies.

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      The reality is that these multi region “clouds” are not nearly as resilient as they seem, and applications that have built on top of then even less so.

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          There are at least two services I know of off the top of my head that rely on us-east-1, so even if you are using them in another region if us-east-1 goes down, so does that service in all regions (and so does your app)

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        I’m far from an expert, but it seems like if one cloud node goes down, pay hackers to slam everything with bot traffic and the system is brought to its knees.

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          Correct. Plus it may not be as resilient as we think. Just because they’re billion dollar companies doesn’t mean they don’t follow the tradition of building systems with duct tape and a prayer.

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            In the age of MBA management, the removal of resilience such as fallback systems because “they’re doing nothing” is the norm.

            Nowadays Engineering stuff isn’t done according to Engineering Principles if it conflicts with short term profit maximization.

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            Also even if the digital infrastructure is resilient, what about the physical infrastructure? A couple sticks of Nobels great invention and viola there’s now a gaping hole in your power transmission infrastructure or in the building itself if access can be achieved.

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              Not to mention the diminished teams who are now under resourced to handle their existing workloads. I’m sure they will do great as things spiral because the sloppy work of the AI has increased their workload, not reduced it. As the cracks begin to form on the human side of things, nothing could possibly go wrong. After all, the human element of any system is often the most secure. /s

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                You just triggered an old memory. Back when I was like 7 I remember watching some type of military debate on some type of public access thing, I think it was military historians and active duty guys talking about military communication over history interesting shit. Anyways something they say that’s kinda stuck with me was the worry of degrading autonomy within the military due to ever increasing ever improving communication capabilities and how it may get to the point that units become effectively headless should communications be disrupted.

                So what happens when leadership becomes reliant on AI tools and the data centers become inoperable? Because frankly that may be an actual worry sooner than later, or advantage depending on the longevity of the federal government.

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        Having worked in several large public clouds, I will always keep a local backup of my cloud data even if I am snapshotting it and even if I’m using geographic replication. Too easy for a misunderstanding or a bug to result in all my stuff getting deleted.