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What’s the play here? Something isn’t making sense.
With the Trump administration, the only thing you can be sure of is that the stated reason isn’t the real reason. Somebody’s got to be getting a payday from this.
Starlink devices are currently the only approved ones.
It’s a money grab. About the only networking companies that build in the us are like Cisco and juniper. Which odds are, you aren’t running at home. This is without a doubt a money grab. Google and Amazon will gladly pay the exemption fee. Some others will as well. This isn’t about security or “pay American”. It’s a money grab.
Same play as always. Bullies countries and corps to get what he wants. As long as it serves him that’s all he cares about.
There will be some meetings with oems, and gold things dropped on his desk, and the exceptions will start being handed out. Same as always.
The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.
Well, you can run your own router on your own hardware but other than that, agreed.
Is that hardware also made in the US ><
My point was mostly that the concept of a router can be executed by any computer with more than one NIC.
Trump isn’t allowing computers from outside the US. Only routers.
Yeah, I wonder how the dumbasses licking his boots will feel about brands like Qotom/etc making high interface mini pcs- whether they consider them “routers” under this. I hope we don’t have to go back to what I did 10 years ago- cheap intel desktops with 3-4 nics.
But where is that hardware made
get iron from local mine and go make some relays
But where were those tools made?
well, Trump has a worryingly faint and ever-changing idea of where the USA borders end…
All it needs is a bribe from Cisco, and it’s no problem anymore. Probably.
New business venture: sell computers that totally aren’t routers, pinky promise, but just randomly happen to run OpenWrt perfectly and have all the needed hardware.
Land of the free? Freedom just keeps slipping away…
The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.
Yep, marketed as very safe, meeting “standards” .
Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.
How is this going to work?
If we see a reversal of the policy soon then it was a standard playbook policy announcement to receive corrupt bribery money from some big manufacturers and importers. If we don’t, it may very well have been with no takers anyway.
We’ve seen it plenty before (within the last year). Like tarrifs, then exclusions, etc.
Smuggling? Setting up a factory in Florida that reboxes routers and slaps “Made In America” stickers on them? Resale/referb router prices going through the roof?
Take your pick.
lmfao. apparently the way this was originally written would have prevented non-exempt routers from getting security updates. you know, the alleged reason this ruling even exists. somebody at the FCC office of engineering and technology must have noticed because they issued a temporary waiver (PDF file).
Applying the revised 47 CFR §§ 2.932(b) and 2.1043(b) to the newly added Covered Routers would have the effect of prohibiting permissive changes to Covered Routers even if they were authorized prior to the March 23, 2026, Covered List addition. This prohibition would be in effect even for Class I permissive changes—such as software and firmware security updates that mitigate harm to U.S. consumers—because previously-authorized Routers are now covered equipment. … Therefore, OET concludes that a limited waiver until March 1, 2027, is warranted and in the public interest. March 1, 2027, is convenient because it is the date until which the recent DoW determination excepts certain otherwise Covered Routers. Prior to March 1, 2027, the OET will re-evaluate whether to further extend applicability.
You can install router software on any computer
On Linux you can just turn the kernel into a router with a few commands. Its actually very cool.
Damn, that IS cool.
It’s also true for every mainstream operating system.
For anyone looking into this, I recommend picking up a “network appliance” PC. They’re low-spec, often fanless, and come with 4 Ethernet ports. You can often get them for roughly the same price as a router. You will need to provide your own WiFi AP with this method.
Hmmm… so if you install a router os on a pc that’s made outside the US, will that make you a criminal?
All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.
because why the fuck the not?
In theory, you would have better things to do with your real estate.
But I guess I’m the idiot who threw my kit out six months ago to make the house a little less cluttered.
If I were a network packet, I would get very confused by so much routing.
You need to start a museum lol
From another article about this topic:
This leads to the question of what exactly the FCC means by consumer-grade routers.
In September 2024, NIST submitted proposals to strengthen the – undeniably modest – IT security of routers (NIST IR 8425A). It states: “Routers forward data packets, most commonly Internet Protocol (IP) packets, between networked systems.”
This encompasses a wide range of devices, from WLAN repeaters to smartphones
So new smartphones are banned too?
They wouldn’t be forwarding packets between networked systems unless you’re using one as a hotspot. And even then I don’t know if the term “networked systems” would include a single computer or if they intend it to mean an area network of some kind.
The rent for your ISP provided hardware is about to go up by x10. Also you will get a letter saying you don’t have an approved router installed.
Just to spell out what many comments already hint at:
There are no US-made routers. “Made” here refers to companies, not where the stuff is actually made. Even if the plastic housing happened to be made in the US for one or two products, the components are still from far away.
Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.
This is corruption pure and simple.
And also I’m SURE there will be no backdoors installed in these routers. This was a mutual deal to control information, not just a financial one
It’s okay when it’s OUR backdoor, it’s not okay when it’s their speculative backdoor.
Those few US companies paid MAGA for this.
Almost certainly not just a money thing. They very likely also made deals for government access to and control of their devices. This isn’t just corruption. It is fascism.
I’ll stick with my pfsense… Just rebuilt it yesterday to upgrade it a bit.
I upgraded mine last year. Went from a core 2 duo with 4gig of ram to a fifth generation I5 with 16 gig of ram. Installed pfblockerNG and now I don’t need any other device to have a decent filter.
So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.
Brother it is class war so
Isn’t Huawei already banned?
Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.
He is talking about ISP grade hw.
I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.
As I read it, they are scared of the Chinese Communist Party having an “official” back door built in. Not run-of-the-mill criminal bot-nets.
I think you guy are forgetting Occam Razor… the most likely scenario (least assumptions) here is that some inept appointee from the orange pedo thought this would be a good idea and pushed it with the research, planning and preparation we all put at farting after eating Taco Bell
There’s a line about “… unless they have a waiver.”
That’s the razor, it’s gatekeeping for who can get your special permit.
I guarantee the routers your ISP wants you to rent from them will have that waiver.
Where’s the Kalshi bet for that?
So at what point do they ban all new computers not made domestically?
So at what point do they ban all new computers
not made domestically?FTFY. It’s the same thing.
well pricing them out of reach of the population wasn’t working, so soon
