Fifty House Democrats led by Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) have sponsored a bill that would form a commission to assess President Donald Trump's mental fitness for office, pursuant to the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.
What’s useful stuff at this point, shooting him? At least this will force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
You mean that thing they’ve done for decades that their base wants? Look at how they acted with Good and Pretti, they’re not even trying to make white people comfortable anymore*; the gloves are off. They know that anyone who hates them will hate them and anyone who loves them will let them get away with pretty much anything.
*In the past they’d at least try to make white people comfortable so that said group could ignore major issues. Now they’re shooting them, too.
Ah, you’re one of those people who will look at any potentially positive action and say it’s useless. You know how we know that? It’s because you didn’t mention any alternatives. Because you don’t think there are any alternatives. Because you think life is pointless and we’re all gonna die and nobody can do anything to stop Trump. And we all know that’s not true because Trump has lost on many issues over the last year and he will continue to in the future. But you don’t want us to recognize reality for what it is.
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Unless, of course, you want him to stay in the White House. Which, perhaps, you do.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Congress can, indeed, create a commission that serves as a substitute to the cabinet for 25th amendment purposes.
Remember that the president can only serve two terms. A VP becoming president is considered to have a full term if they work two years and 1 day. So there’s your metric of when you would want this to happen.
Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office
Nothing in here about a commission. A Congressional majority could just announce the President unfit and kick power over to the VP immediately.
Obviously, Republicans aren’t going to agree with this. Obviously, JD Vance is a fucking hack who would continue the atrocities. That’s why Dems needed to block the 2026 NDAA back in December when they had leverage over the Pentagon’s budget. Now they’ve already rubber stamped the checks and there’s little left to obstruct or apply leverage against.
But this just illustrates why “Forming a Commission” is bullshit. Is this really their plan for 2027? Spend a year fucking around on a vote to form a committee to research a bill to have another vote? So they can maybe hand JD Vance the keys to the White House? Assuming some dissident Fetterman tier Senator doesn’t spike it while drapping himself in an Israeli flag?
There certainly is, you’re just not understanding what role that commission will perform. The commission is the “some other body” that Congress may provide to serve in lieu of the heads of the executive department.
A Congressional majority could just announce the President unfit and kick power over to the VP immediately.
No, actually, they can’t. Incompetence is not an impeachable offense. They would have to hold what is effectively a criminal trial in the Senate. They would have to find him guilty of something beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s the evidentiary standard they would have to meet.
With the 25th, they merely have to indicate they have lost faith in his ability to perform the job. That’s it.
His tweets threatening nuclear war with Iran are not enough to impeach him. He technically has the authority to make those threats. He can’t be impeached for those threats.
Those same tweets are a perfectly valid justification for removing him under the 25th.
“Some other body” is quoted from the 25th Amendment, which empowers Congress not to do the same thing that the Vice President and Cabinet can do but to create “some other body” that can do what the Vice President and Cabinet can do. They could pass a law that empowers Congress to do that, but that would be less likely to pass than passing a law that empowers some committee because Congress has other things to do.
Impeachment action is limited to “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”.
Impeachment is not permitted for simple incompetence.
Congress is only empowered to remove the president by convicting him of a criminal act. Congress does not have the power to remove the president for dementia. Dementia is not a “high crime” or “misdemeanor”.
To remove the president for dementia (or simple incompetence or other non-criminal disqualification) requires the 25th amendment. The VP needs the support of either the majority of the cabinet, or a majority of “some other body” that Congress has established for the purpose.
I’m pretty sure their purpose is to stall the public until the Republicans can win an election. If a wealthy person just happened to be born in a Democrat state, then that is the ticket they run on. I’d love to find out how many of them have family and friends that are all conservative.
Sure let’s do everything but useful stuff
What’s useful stuff at this point, shooting him? At least this will force the Republicans to vote against it making it look like they have something to hide.
It always cracks me up when liberals assume this matters to anyone.
I know like his name all over the Epstein files which he actually hid 😩 turns out no one cares. Everyone’s on board to end the American experiment.
You mean that thing they’ve done for decades that their base wants? Look at how they acted with Good and Pretti, they’re not even trying to make white people comfortable anymore*; the gloves are off. They know that anyone who hates them will hate them and anyone who loves them will let them get away with pretty much anything.
*In the past they’d at least try to make white people comfortable so that said group could ignore major issues. Now they’re shooting them, too.
Yes. Shoot him.
Political power comes from the barrel of the gun, etc.
They have long stopped caring about that.
Ah, you’re one of those people who will look at any potentially positive action and say it’s useless. You know how we know that? It’s because you didn’t mention any alternatives. Because you don’t think there are any alternatives. Because you think life is pointless and we’re all gonna die and nobody can do anything to stop Trump. And we all know that’s not true because Trump has lost on many issues over the last year and he will continue to in the future. But you don’t want us to recognize reality for what it is.
And of course it’s hard to get him thrown out of the White House, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Unless, of course, you want him to stay in the White House. Which, perhaps, you do.
Pretending to try is not trying.
:-/
Critical Support to Thomas Matthew Crooks for giving it the old college try.
Yes Charlie Brown, you’re gonna kick that football the Dems are holding this time . . .
We can do lots to stop Trump, capitalism, and fascism. You just can’t do it by supporting the Democrats.
Congress doesn’t use the 25th amendment, it’s the president’s cabinet.
That is not completely accurate:
Congress can, indeed, create a commission that serves as a substitute to the cabinet for 25th amendment purposes.
Doesn’t this mean that Vance would need to approve it as well?
Yes. The 25th explicitly requires the involvement of the VP.
It could be argued that the Speaker of the House could do it if the VP position were vacant, but the 25th does not explicitly consider that situation.
Then it won’t happen. Vance isn’t stupid, he knows he can’t hold maga on his own.
I agree, he likely won’t be able to hold MAGA on his own.
However, it’s also likely that this is his only chance at the presidency. If he comes to that same conclusion, he may very well take his shot.
He’s relatively young. I think he might think he has a shot someday.
So the prize for removing Trump is empowering Vance. Is he more or less likely to nuke Iran?
Much less.
Nobody likes Vance. He was tapped for VP because he posed no apparent threat to 47. He can’t hold the MAGAt personality cult together.
He’s an asshole and a piece of shit but he seems much more rational than Trump, at the very least.
Remember that the president can only serve two terms. A VP becoming president is considered to have a full term if they work two years and 1 day. So there’s your metric of when you would want this to happen.
Wouldn’t that still include at least 6 years and 1 day of Vance?
6 years minus a day. But that’s still better than 8 years.
Seems sad that things could get to either of those points.
Nothing in here about a commission. A Congressional majority could just announce the President unfit and kick power over to the VP immediately.
Obviously, Republicans aren’t going to agree with this. Obviously, JD Vance is a fucking hack who would continue the atrocities. That’s why Dems needed to block the 2026 NDAA back in December when they had leverage over the Pentagon’s budget. Now they’ve already rubber stamped the checks and there’s little left to obstruct or apply leverage against.
But this just illustrates why “Forming a Commission” is bullshit. Is this really their plan for 2027? Spend a year fucking around on a vote to form a committee to research a bill to have another vote? So they can maybe hand JD Vance the keys to the White House? Assuming some dissident Fetterman tier Senator doesn’t spike it while drapping himself in an Israeli flag?
Pathetic.
There certainly is, you’re just not understanding what role that commission will perform. The commission is the “some other body” that Congress may provide to serve in lieu of the heads of the executive department.
No, actually, they can’t. Incompetence is not an impeachable offense. They would have to hold what is effectively a criminal trial in the Senate. They would have to find him guilty of something beyond a reasonable doubt. That’s the evidentiary standard they would have to meet.
With the 25th, they merely have to indicate they have lost faith in his ability to perform the job. That’s it.
His tweets threatening nuclear war with Iran are not enough to impeach him. He technically has the authority to make those threats. He can’t be impeached for those threats.
Those same tweets are a perfectly valid justification for removing him under the 25th.
This commission is the “some other body” that Democrats in “Congress may by law provide.”
They don’t need “some other body” because it already empowers Congress.
“Some other body” is quoted from the 25th Amendment, which empowers Congress not to do the same thing that the Vice President and Cabinet can do but to create “some other body” that can do what the Vice President and Cabinet can do. They could pass a law that empowers Congress to do that, but that would be less likely to pass than passing a law that empowers some committee because Congress has other things to do.
Impeachment action is limited to “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”.
Impeachment is not permitted for simple incompetence.
Congress is only empowered to remove the president by convicting him of a criminal act. Congress does not have the power to remove the president for dementia. Dementia is not a “high crime” or “misdemeanor”.
To remove the president for dementia (or simple incompetence or other non-criminal disqualification) requires the 25th amendment. The VP needs the support of either the majority of the cabinet, or a majority of “some other body” that Congress has established for the purpose.
Dems can’t get anything done in Congress, so they might as well poison the MAGA well for the Midterms.
I’m pretty sure their purpose is to stall the public until the Republicans can win an election. If a wealthy person just happened to be born in a Democrat state, then that is the ticket they run on. I’d love to find out how many of them have family and friends that are all conservative.