Many people on lemmy.ml deeply respect and admire authoritarian governments and organizations.
Iran, China, North Korea, Soviet Union…
The West has many flaws. But our flaws are nothing compared to these guys.
Iran hangs homosexuals. Iran shot 30,000 people in less than than 2 weeks. The Soviet Union had to build a fucking Iron wall to prevent people from escaping. The Soviets lied about the Chernobyl nuclear explosion. China censors the internet. China wants to eliminate Islam. North Korea is a totalitarian hellscape. Watching anime is a crime.
Why is lemmy.ml so fascinated with authoritarians?


Define authoritarian in a way that excludes the US and Europe but includes any country you listed.
The mistake you’re making is thinking that criticising other authoritarian regimes means supporting the one you live in.
It’s not a zero sum game.
OP’s post literally says “our flaws are nothing compared to these guys”, it’s not the commenter above who brought the west up.
Also, that’s not what “zero sum game” means, you’re maybe thinking false dichotomy?
No, the mistake I’m making is pretending any person using the word ‘authoritarian’ has thought for two seconds about the word or what it means. Hence why I’m trying to encourage those to think beyond the propaganda and instead actually dive into the philosophy it’s trying to obscure.
Authoritarianism, also known as ‘any two or more humans living together,’ is a meaningless buzzword invented in the 1940s to try to differentiate American and Fascist societies to get Americans on board with fighting their ideological clones across the Atlantic.
It has no static definition that meaningfully separates any society from any other society.
“Authoritarian regimes are actually just regimes, actually!”
What a stupid take to protect the fascists lol.
Still not seeing any meaningful difference posted besides your tautological reasoning. All government is inherently authoritarian. That is how government inherently works and is defined. It can’t not be.
Saying some governments are magically different because they are isn’t anything logical. It’s repeating 1940s era propaganda made exclusively to make Americans feel like they weren’t so bad.
Oh, “everyone’s bad so I can side with who I want”. What a thought.
No, quite the opposite. I would encourage you to learn how to read one day.
Authortiarianism is a made up concept to separate the American public, who during the 1940s very much wanted to side with Nazi Germany and did not want to enter the war, and the ‘Axis of Evil;’ so that the American Military Industrial complex, against the wishes of its people and despite having the exact same ideology as the average fascist, could enter the war and make one of the largest transfers of wealth from poor to rich in world history happen.
It has no actual definition that excludes any government. Meaning it’s a meaningless distinction when you cut through the propaganda Nothing an ‘authoritarian government’ has ever been accused of doing is exclusive to them; and by a prima facie reading of the term gives you the difference between lower case a anarchism and actual society – i.e. nothing useful when discussing the merits of ways to run a society, just the fact a society exists.
Cuba is a democracy. China is a democracy. There’s plenty of propaganda that says otherwise because they do not do their government in English and Americans are the least linguistically capable peoples in the history of the world so it’s difficult for you people to check anything. Because learning spanish is just too difficult. There’s plenty of differences in how those democracies function compared to ‘liberal western democracy’ or US democracy. None of them are more ‘authoritarian’ than the others.
Cuba is a democracy.
So black is white and white is black.
Blocked.
It is a valid point, though. Some people don’t even realize they’re in it. Like frogs in a pot of water, they’ve been boiled and are unaware.
I think a lot of Americans are under the assumption that post-Trump we just go back to freedomtm. And I hope that’s the case, but I’m skeptical.
In order to get close to freedom we’d at bare minimum have to go back to before Reagan.
I keep hearing equally unrealistic things that hinge on magical one-off situations. “What if he has a stroke?” or “The Dems will win and it will all change.” It won’t. They’re not going to self-regulate any more than they did in the past.
No democracy. Single leader with cult following. Vanguard partyism.
The US has literally never been a democracy, its never even been a particularly good representative republic, read a fucking book
I live in Spain. We have a literal monarch and royal family.
In the previous decade, a leftist party called Podemos appeared, and started to poll very high. Because this is unacceptable in Europe, the state came up with a solution:
A far-right wing of the police started to fabricate false evidence of funding of Podemos by Iran and Venezuela (history rhymes huh?), leaked it to capitalist media, and the media, ALL media, ran stories for YEARS about Podemos and Venezuela, about how they wanted to turn Spain into a Bolivarian republic and create hyperinflation… They destroyed a party from the state + media apparatus through an illegal lawfare psyop, and literally nobody has gone to jail for this.
Tell me again in how much of a democracy I live, where far-right parties are free to promote hate and leftist parties are literally destroyed by the state and media apparatus.
Might as well just define it as, “Has socialist in the name” at that point.
The US and Europe aren’t democracies, while many of the listed countries are democracies.
Lol
The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning that still lasts to this day despite capitalism neglecting it. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about.
The Kim family does have outsized influence, but the DPRK is not a hereditary monarchy. For example, the position of President, held by Kim Il-Sung, was abolished and split into multiple positions upon his death. This is why he is remembered as the “Eternal President.” As such, both Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un have held different positions. Both have held high positions, for example Kim Jong-Il had the title of General Secretary of the Worker’s Party of Korea, a position held by Kim Jong-Un presently. However, this is not the whole story.
The DPRK has a much more distributed level of power, and the Kim family is both widely supported due to its influence, and yet is not the undisputed top-dog, so to speak. What’s more, the Kim family is so venerated precisely because the legacy of Kim Il-Sung and Kim Jong-Il is lived memory, imagine if Lenin had survived and raised his children as successors. It would be no wonder that the soviets would have elected his children, but it would not be a monarchy either.
Finally, class. Class is not a level of material wealth, but a relation to production and distribution. The DPRK is overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, administration is not a distinct class in and of itself but a subset of broader classes, same with intellectuals. What determines class is based on that key aspect, the Kim family does not own capital but instead recieves wages from the state. Kim Jong-Un is largely used as a symbol, one that is democratically elected and directly trained by his father for the position.
This is why it’s important to actually study the real systems at play, rather than coast on pre-formed opinions drilled into us about the DPRK from western media. The Black Panther Party maintained good relations with the DPRK, visiting it and teaching Juche to Americans.
From Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance:
The form of democracy and the mode of production in China ensures that there is a connection between the people and the state. Policies like the mass line are in place to ensure this direct connection remains. This is why over 90% of the Chinese population supports the government, and why they have such strong perceptions around democracy:
The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local government is directly elected, and then these governments elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Combining this consultative, ground-up democracy with top-down economic planning is the key to China’s success.
I highly recommend Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance. Socialist democracy has been imperfect, but has gone through a number of changes and adaptations over the years as we’ve learned more from testing theory to practice. Boer goes over the history behind socialist democracy in this textbook.
Lol like I’ll read your kremlin propaganda.
Blocked.
avg anarchist when faced with facts
“fAcTs”
Lol that’s right patriot, run away from the scary wrongthink
None of this is “Kremlin propaganda,” unless you count the soviet constitution as “Kremlin propaganda.” It seems more that you can’t actually dispute historical fact, so it’s easier to preserve your worldview by shutting fact out of your view.
So you failed given every European country and the US also has that. (as much as China or Cuba at least.)