The times where the democrats had full power with a good margin were the best/least bad legislative periods the USA has ever had.
Yes, yes, they are bad in so many other ways. Yes, just voting for them isn’t going to just fix everything.
But I NEED online leftists to shut the fuck up if they don’t have a better option for the 4 hours once every 4 years it takes to vote. What exactly are you doing with exactly those hours that it having such a big impact on the world? Bitching online? Reading theory for the 50-th time?
You people can’t even revolutionize what you eat for justice, yet you expect an instant, bloody revolution to magically spring forth purely from online shit posting.
Does it take four hours to vote in USA?! That is insane.
I’ve never spent more than 4 minutes the four times I’ve voted in the general election in Norway. That is in person voting. If you also include getting to and from the voting place, add 10-20 minutes, round trip, walking.
Depends on the location in the US; I can walk/bike to mine, and I’m usually in-and-out in 10 minutes or less. Some places intentionally make it harder to vote though. There might be reduced polling locations (tend to see that in minority heavy areas), long lines (like, hours waiting long), limitations on early voting for people with scheduling issues, etc.
The worst is the absurd straw men they create about those of us who are willing to hold our nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.
That makes us “Blue MAGA”, which they desperately want to be a thing. It’s not.
It automatically means we’re dirty liberals who believe in “blue no matter who”. And every discussion with them is a constant battle against bullshit straw men they’ve created about you. So it goes nowhere. By design.
Fucking tell me, and they’ll scream at leftists that they essentially elected Trump with their vote when most of us still voted for Harris. We’re just tired of it and letting you know now we’re not playing this stupid game of ratchet effect any longer.
You’re playing “hammer to the nuts” game instead, because that’s the only other game in town. And in case it needed to be said, it’s a worse game to play, there is no winners there.
Like you said, there’s no winners, so why should I actively vote for my own harm then? It’s like a choice between hanging or firing squad, you’re screwed either way and are just given a false choice.
Because the choice isn’t that. The choice is between being actively hunted for sport, and being kinda ignored at a sharing table. You do know how one thing is worse than another? You do understand what “better” or “worse” means?
Notice how neither are desirable at all and we just keep electing people who ignore us? If you keep doing the same thing expecting results, you’re insane. And boy to neo-liberal apologists look insane to me.
The problem with this line of logic is that you appear as if you’re saying something substantial, while in reality you aren’t. You might get to feel very satisfied with the sense of moral superiority, by saying that obviously you’re the only one who recognises that something else needs to be done, and everyone are a sheeple who are too stupid and lib to realise that.
And since your other thing is nebulous and undefined and is placed somewhere far away, and seem to be incompatible with all the other actions a person can take, you get to have a satisfaction of both being smugly superior, and not actually doing anything, while nothing is your fault.
You’re literally doing a meme about firebombing a wallmart, with explicitly added part where you can either dream about firebombing wallmart or voting, but at no point you can do both.
I love how centrists will respond to a comment that literally says “when most of us still voted for Harris” with a comment that starts with the assumption that the person they’re talking to didn’t.
We voted like you wanted. We told you that your one policy was a losing issue. You chose not to listen to people who knew what they were talking about, and you lost as a result.
If you did, we wouldn’t be here in this mess. You collectively didn’t, and now are trying to shift your part of the blame to whatever the fuck. I mean, if you personally did, good for you, but Trump won anyway.
Like I keep saying, either there is actually a lot of hardcore leftists in the US that decided to not vote against Trump, in which case they’re the worst people, because they had the capacity and moral compass to make less suffering, and didn’t do it. Or, and this is more likely in my opinion, you did vote and it didn’t matter because there is not enough of you to matter, and therefore ignoring what you were saying online was still a good idea, your opinion doesn’t matter when voting comes in play. This is the condemnation of the American public as a whole, both of the scenarios.
Trump was running on more genocide, and won. Either it’s, depressingly, not as contentious issue for American voters as you think, or they, even more depressingly, actually for it, and the correct position of less genocide isn’t as favourable.
If you cared about people’s lives as you pretend to be, you would see that it’s not binary genocide/no genocide choice. In America you can’t have zero suffering, you can only have less or more of it.
People who helped to elect Trump, by action or inaction, are way more pro-genocide. In terms of people genocided, it’s a worse outcome. There was no ideal outcome on the table, the one where genocide just stops, but there was possibility for the deescalation. Now this possibility is gone and wouldn’t return for a long time, and the only people who are at fault there is American voters, who collectively saw the possibilities and chose the worst one.
What exactly are you doing with exactly those hours that it having such a big impact on the world? Bitching online?
You nailed it. They’re going to cry like babies without providing any viable solutions because they can’t accept the reality of the world they live in and instead defer to wishful thinking.
I try to convince myself that most of them are young, maybe even under age. Cuz if grown ass adults are displaying the lack of critical thought they’re displaying, then this nation can only collapse.
The times where the democrats had full power with a good margin were the best/least bad legislative periods the USA has ever had. Yes, yes, they are bad in so many other ways. Yes, just voting for them isn’t going to just fix everything.
But I NEED online leftists to shut the fuck up if they don’t have a better option for the 4 hours once every 4 years it takes to vote. What exactly are you doing with exactly those hours that it having such a big impact on the world? Bitching online? Reading theory for the 50-th time?
You people can’t even revolutionize what you eat for justice, yet you expect an instant, bloody revolution to magically spring forth purely from online shit posting.
Does it take four hours to vote in USA?! That is insane.
I’ve never spent more than 4 minutes the four times I’ve voted in the general election in Norway. That is in person voting. If you also include getting to and from the voting place, add 10-20 minutes, round trip, walking.
Depends on the location in the US; I can walk/bike to mine, and I’m usually in-and-out in 10 minutes or less. Some places intentionally make it harder to vote though. There might be reduced polling locations (tend to see that in minority heavy areas), long lines (like, hours waiting long), limitations on early voting for people with scheduling issues, etc.
The worst is the absurd straw men they create about those of us who are willing to hold our nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.
That makes us “Blue MAGA”, which they desperately want to be a thing. It’s not.
It automatically means we’re dirty liberals who believe in “blue no matter who”. And every discussion with them is a constant battle against bullshit straw men they’ve created about you. So it goes nowhere. By design.
Oh, when Mamdani won his primary, you guys abandoned “blue no matter who” and went back to “party unity my ass.”
Fucking tell me, and they’ll scream at leftists that they essentially elected Trump with their vote when most of us still voted for Harris. We’re just tired of it and letting you know now we’re not playing this stupid game of ratchet effect any longer.
You’re playing “hammer to the nuts” game instead, because that’s the only other game in town. And in case it needed to be said, it’s a worse game to play, there is no winners there.
Like you said, there’s no winners, so why should I actively vote for my own harm then? It’s like a choice between hanging or firing squad, you’re screwed either way and are just given a false choice.
Because the choice isn’t that. The choice is between being actively hunted for sport, and being kinda ignored at a sharing table. You do know how one thing is worse than another? You do understand what “better” or “worse” means?
Notice how neither are desirable at all and we just keep electing people who ignore us? If you keep doing the same thing expecting results, you’re insane. And boy to neo-liberal apologists look insane to me.
The problem with this line of logic is that you appear as if you’re saying something substantial, while in reality you aren’t. You might get to feel very satisfied with the sense of moral superiority, by saying that obviously you’re the only one who recognises that something else needs to be done, and everyone are a sheeple who are too stupid and lib to realise that.
And since your other thing is nebulous and undefined and is placed somewhere far away, and seem to be incompatible with all the other actions a person can take, you get to have a satisfaction of both being smugly superior, and not actually doing anything, while nothing is your fault.
You’re literally doing a meme about firebombing a wallmart, with explicitly added part where you can either dream about firebombing wallmart or voting, but at no point you can do both.
I love how centrists will respond to a comment that literally says “when most of us still voted for Harris” with a comment that starts with the assumption that the person they’re talking to didn’t.
We voted like you wanted. We told you that your one policy was a losing issue. You chose not to listen to people who knew what they were talking about, and you lost as a result.
If you did, we wouldn’t be here in this mess. You collectively didn’t, and now are trying to shift your part of the blame to whatever the fuck. I mean, if you personally did, good for you, but Trump won anyway.
Like I keep saying, either there is actually a lot of hardcore leftists in the US that decided to not vote against Trump, in which case they’re the worst people, because they had the capacity and moral compass to make less suffering, and didn’t do it. Or, and this is more likely in my opinion, you did vote and it didn’t matter because there is not enough of you to matter, and therefore ignoring what you were saying online was still a good idea, your opinion doesn’t matter when voting comes in play. This is the condemnation of the American public as a whole, both of the scenarios.
Those of us who voted for harris tried to warn you that if you continued to treat your voters with undisguised contempt, you would lose.
You wanted genocide instead. You got what you wanted. Stop pretending to hate it just because you’re getting it from trump instead of harris.
Trump was running on more genocide, and won. Either it’s, depressingly, not as contentious issue for American voters as you think, or they, even more depressingly, actually for it, and the correct position of less genocide isn’t as favourable.
If you cared about people’s lives as you pretend to be, you would see that it’s not binary genocide/no genocide choice. In America you can’t have zero suffering, you can only have less or more of it.
Also that you’re pro-genocide. Don’t forget that old chestnut.
People who helped to elect Trump, by action or inaction, are way more pro-genocide. In terms of people genocided, it’s a worse outcome. There was no ideal outcome on the table, the one where genocide just stops, but there was possibility for the deescalation. Now this possibility is gone and wouldn’t return for a long time, and the only people who are at fault there is American voters, who collectively saw the possibilities and chose the worst one.
It’s easy for the pampered center that gets whatever it wants no matter which candidate wins to tell the left to shut up.
You nailed it. They’re going to cry like babies without providing any viable solutions because they can’t accept the reality of the world they live in and instead defer to wishful thinking.
I try to convince myself that most of them are young, maybe even under age. Cuz if grown ass adults are displaying the lack of critical thought they’re displaying, then this nation can only collapse.