• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    In reality, systemic change in the sense of mass exploitation ending has never occured in history.

    That requires a very slanted and cynical view of history. “Don’t trust anyone, they’re all just trying to oppress you. You should be trying to oppress them instead.” is the sort of toxic machismo that gets you Hegseth and Rubio butchering people the globe over while liberals shrug in apathy.

    The form it takes changing is irrelevant

    Sure, that’s the propaganda you get from fascist media. Ultra-nationalism is rooted in the belief that we’re in a perpetual race war and the only open question is whether your race is ascendent. Internationalism is fake. Egalitarian political movements are (((controlled))) from the shadows. Intersectionality is impossible. Only brutal totalitarian hierarchy has ever existed - can ever exist - so you might as well submit to the boot on your neck with the promise that you’ll have the opportunity to stomp someone else’s neck down the road.

    What a roundabout non-answer.

    You’ve pickled your brain on fascist ideology so badly that you’ve lost the ability to read anything you disagree with.

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      3 days ago

      That requires a very slanted and cynical view of history. “Don’t trust anyone, they’re all just trying to oppress you. You should be trying to oppress them instead.” is the sort of toxic machismo that gets you Hegseth and Rubio butchering people the globe over while liberals shrug in apathy.

      This isn’t an argument. If you think systemic change in the sense of mass exploitation ending has indeed occurred, give me examples.

      Sure, that’s the propaganda you get from fascist media. Ultra-nationalism is rooted in the belief that we’re in a perpetual race war and the only open question is whether your race is ascendent. Internationalism is fake. Egalitarian political movements are (((controlled))) from the shadows. Intersectionality is impossible. Only brutal totalitarian hierarchy has ever existed - can ever exist - so you might as well submit to the boot on your neck with the promise that you’ll have the opportunity to stomp someone else’s neck down the road.

      More of the same. Labelling it propaganda isn’t an argument. Again, if systems have actually improved, demonstrate how. If you can’t, all of this is just elaborate mumbo-jumbo.

      Ultranationalism would exist even without such a belief. I don’t believe egalitarian political movements have done much, not that they’re “controlled from the shadows”; the world is regressing. The US and EU are actively becoming more fascist. Authoritarian hierarchies are pretty much all that have existed in the histories of countries. The only places they didn’t are in places like aboriginal tribes and primitive set ups such as those, unfortunately.

      If it has existed at the country level, then let me know. If it hasn’t existed, then I’m not going to believe in an abstraction of “potential”— I believe in whats been empirically confirmed and only what has been empirically confirmed.

      You’ve pickled your brain on fascist ideology so badly that you’ve lost the ability to read anything you disagree with.

      Ad hominem.

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        3 days ago

        This isn’t an argument.

        It is. You just don’t like reading it.

        So you’re plugging your ears and spitting out logical fallacies without understanding them in the slightest.

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          3 days ago

          You clearly didn’t read anything I said.

          And no, actually, you were attacking me instead of my argument. Thus, ad hominem.

          I don’t suddenly “miscomprehend” logical fallacies just because you claim so.