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    A little confused by the naïveté from OP. The US gov lets a lot of Americans starve too, you’re not special. That’s because humans are seen by Americans, especially govt types, as those with and without something of value to give. Gaza was run by terrorists. Israel is run by people who produce valuable exports for American Intel and military communities not to mention a heap load of economic investments. Next time hamas should consider that route instead of using children as shields and sitting around with AKs pretending to be religious. It’s not the pretending to be religious we have an issue with, everyone does that, it’s the lack of paying the piper for the privilege. Not saying we don’t do similar things but like Leary said, “two words, nuclear fucking warheads”.

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    Why is Germany? Or Australia? Russia or China? Japan? Why are you giving them a free pass?

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        The UN has always been a veto exercise, nothing useful happens there so why would you expect it? It’s as performative as the US Congress with even fewer results. One side gets to tell their constituents “I voted for a good thing” and the other gets to say they defended their national interests on the global stage.

        What would happen if this did pass, Israel just blushes and let’s them through? What’s to stop them from doing this in an agreement separate to the UN? Is Isreal really going to go to war with dozens of countries to stop some aid going through? Is the US going to sink their ships? No shot.

        All of these countries are just as fine with the status quo as the USA. They just get to pretend there’s a valid reason for their inaction.

        The entire global stage is at fault here, but the buck magically stops at Daddy USA no matter who’s in charge.

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        Those countries can provide aid without going through the UN.

        I ask again, why are those countries not?

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          They can’t without declaring war on Israel. There is blockade setup by Israel, bypassing which would require force to enter the Gaza Strip.

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            They can go through Egypt. They can airdrop supplies. There’s options. But they don’t.

            Why would it be declaring war to aid Gaza? Care to spell it out, what Hamas does with that aid?

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          Russia is busy with it’s own war & China love playing a double-game. The rest are part of the Western imperialist core

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    The people of Gaza aren’t the first or only people on earth being forcibly relocated. They chose death that isn’t the US fault.

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      Wrong. The aid is being pillaged by a local warlord paid for and helped by Israel, it’s been all over the news.

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      & that’s somehow worse than I don’t know, bombing Gaza for fun. There were actual tours

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      Aid isn’t making it in as Israel is blocking it. The reason Israel is blocking it is that Hamas is holding Israelis hostages.

      Both deliberately starving people and taking hostages are illegal under international law. Israel absolutely in the wrong here especially since the ICJ ordered them to allow aid. Hamas isn’t helping anyone but Israel isn’t a victim.

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        Oh yeah I bet if Hamas gave them the hostages they would totally stop their genocide then.

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          That statement completely misses the point

          It isn’t ok to take hostages. Genocide is certainly worse but that is not setting the bar high.

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            Do you think they took hostages in a vacuum? You certainly understand cause and effect right?

            Also love how you are comparing genocide to taking hostages (or even October 7th) as if they are in the same league.

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              I don’t really understand the logic here. Why are you defining Hamas?

              I’m not comparing taking hostages to genocide. I’m saying taking hostages is wrong.

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                You said, “…that is not setting the bar high.” as if kidnapping and genocide are close on some scale.

                The genocide was happening before October 7th. And the genocide is why October 7th happened. I’m not “defending” I’m explaining why what you said doesn’t make sense.

                Israel was already limiting the amount of goods coming into Palestine before October 7th and I quote “putting them on a diet”. Israels plan is to get rid of Palestinians, it always was.

                Hamas tried to give the hostages back and Israel stopped that from happening. So I don’t think it would make a difference, Israels government doesn’t care about the hostages, they have literally killed them.

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      United-Statesian directly voted for this. US foreign policy is controled by the president or at this point king. It might not have been every United-Statesian, but it is on them. Well over 50% country still support ongoing genocide.

      So yes, United-Statesian are not the same as US, but the damage done is theirs to carry for decades to come.

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          For ongoing genocide, I agree. She did hire the same Biden “strategists” that sank her campaign. Food aid is a different question. I do believe she would have allowed aid and wouldn’t have vetoed multiple resolutions at the UN. Not because she would have cared but to continue promoting the fake idea that “US are humanitarians”.

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            I do believe she would have allowed aid and wouldn’t have vetoed multiple resolutions at the UN

            Gonna be honest, I think when Israel continued to use the aid sites as mass killing grounds she would have looked the other way, and I absolutely do believe she would have vetoed UN resolutions.

            It was even during Biden’s regime that Palestinians were reporting (with video) that they were being given rotten food.

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              Honestly I think all of this highlights what is happening politically around the world. I think polarization is tearing people apart. Government policy is less and less being driven by individual citizens and more by bureaucracy and political policy.

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          Not really. Most Americans are horrible people. Savages, what we used to think animals were like. We thrive off of self interested cruelty, but don’t even have the intelligence to be self interested about it.

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            South Park did it best with the “a little bit country” song, where the government can do whatever because half the people are pro war (country) and half are against it (rock and roll). So whichever seems convenient, they can say on the geopolitical stage they were “against” or “for” it.