(Shamelessly stealing this image from some crackpot carnivore diet community elsewhere on the lemmyverse, with which I have never once interacted, but noticed I have been banned from. Lulz.)
For the British: the things shown in the picture are spices. You add them to food to make it have taste.
And, sugar is not a spice.
What about beans?
Beans are the protein.
Nah, main ingredient.
Regardless of your take on the ethics of meat, this argument is nonsensical from either side.
Mixtures of things have different effects than their component parts.
It’s like saying if the hot chocolate just tastes like the cocoa powder, why don’t I just eat the cocoa powder?
Because the texture and nature of the water give it a property too.
I think they were trying to make an equivalent argument to the questions around the existence of plant-based “meats”. That line of reasoning usually goes “why create a meat-like ‘concoction’ from plants rather than just eating delicious plant products themselves? Why do we need products resembling meat? Just eat a plant-based diet.”
I understand now that these products aren’t for me, and aren’t necessarily for those who are comfortable working directly with plants in the kitchen. They also provide an easy off-ramp from a more meat-heavy diet. Beyond Burgers are akin to vapes for those struggling to eat less meat. They have their place.
Sure we can judge things by the sum of their parts. Like how no matter how well prepared any meal is, no matter how divine it’s mouthfeel, I am unable to take pleasure in the consumption of a food that I know is the result of immense animal suffering. That is what animal products are made of too. They are also made of human suffering from the workers who are all but forced into working in slaughterhouses, an occupation well known for causing ptsd in its workers. I also derive no pleasure in knowing that animal overconsumption is one of the primary drivers of heart disease - the number one killer in most western countries, something which is completely preventable in 99% of people.
Animal products are also made of wanton environmental destruction, as well as being a massive zoonotic disease vector.
So why stop there? Please take your analysis even further.
I’m very specifically not getting into this argument. Everything you just said is completely right.
All I’m saying is this particular argument about taste and flavors is the worst possible one to make because it’s demonstrably illogical.
Heh, sorry about the soapboxing. I kind of lost the plot there. Yea, so it’s like others have said, that’s the joke. It’s making fun of the people who bitch about plant-based foods trying to mimic animal-based ones.
Vegetarians and vegans just hate plants more than they love animals.
It’s the mineral eaters you really need to keep your eye on.
Yeah, they’re very salty.
As a kid I used to eat handfuls of salt, probably lucky I didn’t die of sodium poisoning.
Clearly you are making this argument in seriousness and good faith, so excuse me while I spend a couple of nights and more paragraphs than anyone will read to fully articulate my carefully crafted rebuttal.
Umm, akshually, since animals eat so many plants, eating meat is the far more effective move for plant haters.
It’s crazy how many people got hurt by a meme in shitpost community.
Good job OP!
*Takes a bow*
Seeing as I eat both, is fine
This reminds me of a controversy among the carnivore diet community, where someone got smeared as a “vegan” for seasoning his meat, and really liking chili peppers.
Imagine how warped your mind has to be, to find spices and plants controversial.
“But look at these AI generated fat people eating chips, which is made out of potatoes, therefore it’s vegan!” - many of the carnivore diet grifters
I don’t think you have to find an AI picture of a fat person eating chips.
Because carnivore grifters are right wingers, and the right loves AI slop. The carnivore grift is not for health, but a political movement.
Meat is too delicious, I need to add a little plant based poison to it each time to avoid meat addiction.
Didn’t some meat-guy literally try to argue vegetables are toxic to humans or some shit
I mean if you stuff your mouth with 30 kgs of carrots you will die. Sounds toxic to me :D
What if you use them as a suppository? 🤔
Well many plants don’t want to be eaten or just by specific animals so they have stuff like gluten that is actually a feeding deterrent. Most allergies come from these feeding deterrents. So well yes most plants are toxic we have just learned to eat them - mostly.
Or capsaicin. I hate when plants produce that, LoL
Isn’t there at least one person for ANY kind of bullshit? Also, the father of medicine said once: “everything is lethal, the dosage is what matters” 😁
Yea but I’m talking about some carnivore diet influencer, might have been jordan peterson, who claimed humans can’t even digest vegetables or some shit
Oh I’ve heard that. Idiots starting with a grain of truth on characteristics of “insoluble fiber” and going off into la la land
…i would fear people who actually would believe such a thing. You don’t need a phd in medicine to know otherwise. Heck, you don’t even need any school-knowledge for that.
Everything is toxic to humans at high enough dose
On the opposite side, why do vegans spend so much time and energy trying to make replacements of meat products? Not protein, but vegan sausages, vegan bacon, vegan eggs, that sort of thing. They’re trying to replace the very thing they gave up with something that looks and tastes like the very thing they gave up.
I am not vegan yet but if i could get the same identical culinary experience as meat minus the horrors of the animal holocaust industry. I will become vegan in a heartbeat.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
I don’t miss meat anymore because for many categories, alternatives have gotten good enough that eating them instead of real meat isn’t really a sacrifice for me, just a different version and maybe a brief period of getting used to it. I’m quite content with vegan chicken stuff and burgers and sausages for example, if the product is well made. Even some cheaper ones have improved a lot. Guess I’m lucky that I never was much into steaks and cheese.
The thing I do miss is being able to go into any restaurant without worrying if they even have vegan options. This might be a big reason why people don’t go vegan. But trying to eat plant-based if practical while making some exceptions would already be awesome. Even just asking for vegan options if there are none would help a lot if enough people did it.
I know vegans who dont hide that they do really miss meat. I imagine even those that don’t would appreciate having alternatives that turn more people away from the real thing.
After 10 years I’m not sure anymore if I’ll eat cell culture meat, because eating real meat is just kinda strange/disgusting to me by now. But I’d be really happy if it became available for the people who do want to eat real meat.
It was a serious question. Thank you for providing a serious answer.
Generally the same reason people like to video games to emulate real life even if they do not want the games to be real
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The right spices enhance the flavor of the meat without overpowering it
Same with vegitables and other foods. It’s what herbs and spices do when used properly.
My wife add flavor at to meat, I like it just with salt.
Why are you so obsessed with how rocks taste, just east the food
Me add super pepper, and then salt. Then, me sear, rest, and est
I like plant too. Why discriminate 🤷♂️
Seriously. I will fuck up some turnip greens!
Just want to comment here, because some people seem to be trying to spread a stinky narrative: yes virtually all plants contain “toxins”. No, that does not mean they are toxic or poisonous to us. Caffeine is literally a natural pesticide; and yet coffee and teas are well known to be beneficial to our health and longevity, for just one example.
Spices are an easy way to give any meal not only better flavor, but a small punch of phytonutrients that most people are sorely lacking.
Don’t let the crackpot carnivores spread their lies.
The script can very easily be flipped, OP. “If you like plants so much why are you trying to make it imitate meat?”
This is the flip. Meat eaters say this to vegans all the time. That’s the whole joke.
And vegans need to stop calling people who consume meat “meat eaters.” I have no problem with a salad and some veggies BECAUSE I’M AN OMNIVORE. (as are all you vegans because you are human and that’s LITERALLY what we are).
We didn’t become the dominant species on this planet by hunting carrots. We are predators. Get over yourself.
They have multiple points, but a big one is that you can live a happy healthy life without eating animals or animal products, therefore eating those is optional.
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins. Vegans are playing on hardmode by choice and think that makes them special. IMHO they are right; “special” enough to warrant their own bus. Don’t anthropomorphize your food. Chickens are IDIOTS who will cannibalize each other without a second thought, Pigs may be “smart” but are clueless (and also will cannibalize each other like chickens), and cattle are absolute MORONS. In fact the only reason we eat the animals that we do is because their ancestors were too mentally vaccuous to avoid humans altogether. (like say, MOST OF THE AFRICAN MEGA FAUNA which evolved with us and so are wise to our BS.)
Everything you’re saying basically just boils down to, “I have no idea what it’s actually like to go vegan so I’m just going to make stuff up.” Maybe you should try it, at least for a month, if for no other reason than being able to say you can speak from experience.
You’re kind of aggressive, aren’t you? Anyway, I’m not vegan, I just don’t eat animal based stuff.
I don’t see anything factually wrong in your points, except one note
and my point is that being nutritionally complete is easier if you consume animal proteins.
Correct, but if you do your own cooking already then it’s not actually hard to to just sub out one source of protein for another. Throw in some vitamins and you’re good.
For me that’s a very worthwhile trade for reducing my reliance on animal agriculture.
Oh, I learned something new. I hadn’t heard that one yet.
Short answer: for the noobs. Most vegans grow to increasingly prefer more plant-forward meals. The humble bean is by far the most underappreciated ingredient out there.
thatsthejoke
remember folks. if you don’t put any herbs and seasonings on your food… there is a 100% chance you are British, stupid, or more likely both. British food should be renamed “Bland shit that gets served in a dying home” (dying home = those shitty retirement homes where people go to die alone with a meal plan that makes USA public school food look like $100k plate 5 star food cooked by the best chefs in the world)
WOAH OWAH WOAH
Reported for ableism, surely we cant go around accusing eachother of being Bri*ish
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I didn’t know that being British was a disability. my apologies all you poor British blokes…
Did I use Blokes correctly? I’m sadly American abd can only understand American, Queens, Bronx, Pittsburghese, and strangely enough Mole (if you get the redwall reference).
So one of my favorite seasonings to add to hamburger, along with other beef and some pork stuff is… Beef Bullion.
Now you may scoff at the idea of this redundancy, but give it a try next time you make hamburger or beef tacos or whatever. if not, you’re missing out.
Now you should buy stock and use it instead of water in most cooking.
Or better yet, save ya bones and end pieces of meat and veg, brown it and use it to make your own. You can do this just before you cook, or whenever and just freeze or can it. If you go with the store stuff, buy stock based off of which one has the highest protein content.
I do that myself on occasion, but I seldom boil much stuff. A lil beef or chicken stock is good in mashed potatoes or in rice, but most of the time , unless I’m making a soup I use powdered bullion. It tastes better. Not even just my opinion. Blind taste tests always have most people prefer the “fake” stuff.
Really? I’d love to see some actual studies on people blind taste testing things made with stock vs. powdered bouillon. Do you have any links you can share?
Have you heard of Demi Glacé? Chef John has a good cheater recipe if you’re interested in home make and less beef pricey.
Chef John from foodwishes is awesome!
I have not, but I’m intrigued.
