Liberals will lie to you and tell you to “just vote in the primary,” but in reality they simply don’t care about trans rights and do not believe there is ever a right time to challenge transphobic Democrats.
First primary: the transphobes hide their colors so you can’t vote against them.
First general election: the snakes reveal their colors, but you can’t vote against the traitors because “blue no matter who.” They tell you to just vote in the next primary.
Second primary: the same people who tell you now “save it for the primary” shift their tune to “we can’t give up an incumbent seat in a purple district!”
Trans people can see through these bad-faith lies. Yet of course, mansplaining trolls will be sure to breathlessly explain “lesser of two evil” math, as if that’s not an argument we haven’t heard a thousand times and already rejected due to its obvious flaws. There’s never a shortage of arrogant cis people who think they know more about trans issues than actual trans people.
Liberals want your votes, not your voices. Be a good little minority and sit down. Shut up. Support the party. You owe the party your support. The party owes you nothing.
EDIT: A few thoughts to address the comment in the thread here:
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You need to get past your team sports approach to politics. I am not advocating voting against Democrats in general. I’m advocating for not voting for the 1% of Democratic candidates that have chosen to become fascist collaborators and adopt Republican positions on trans rights. To trans people, the Democratic party going TERF is a greater danger than the Republican party winning a slim majority in the Senate. The nightmare scenario here is what happened with Labor. Labor has completely fallen to Nazi collaborators. The UK has regressed in trans rights to now be the most transphobic country in Western Europe, and that happened under the rule of a center-left government. The trans people of the UK would have been better off with another term of conservatives than the transphobic labor leaders they elected instead. We don’t need to elect more Fettermans who will turn around and vote against the party the first chance they get. So many people in this thread believe, “you have to vote for the Nazi collaborators, otherwise the Nazis will win!”
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On saving democracy: you are vastly underestimating how difficult that task is. You seem to imagine you can just write a bill that just says, “democracy saved,” and call it a day. Actually saving democracy is going to require stripping powers from the presidency and dismantling the post-9/11 security state. That requires Democratic leaders of moral strength and conviction. It will take leaders willing to look their constituents in the eye and tell them, “I am going to vote for this bill to dismantle ICE. Yes, that means that occasionally an illegal immigrant is going to murder someone. I’m going to vote for this bill to dismantle the NSA’s illegal programs. Yes, that means we may have more terrorist attacks than we would otherwise. It’s worth it to save our Republic.” Saving democracy requires leaders who are literally willing to vote to kill their fellow Americans. Every power you strip away results in a few more people dying. It’s inevitable. And these transphobe Democrats are fundamentally cowards with no inner moral center. They’ll follow any poll or vote for any policy they think will get them power. This kind of person is not capable of saving democracy. You can’t defeat Nazism by voting in Nazi collaborators, and it’s insane to pretend you can.
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Those arguing that trans rights are a minor or insignificant issue? Frankly, if you believe this, you deserve to have your right to vote taken away. If you’re not willing to protect the vulnerable among your community, you deserve whatever evil befalls you. Karma’s a bitch in that way. We can all go to Hell together if that’s the path you choose.
This piece is yet another attempt to break up the Left, which is exactly how the Right keeps winning. Which is much worse, fyi. Kinda obviously at this point.
You’ll never have perfection. Ever. Not ever. Literally never. We never have. We never will. Get over it and look at the bigger picture. Trans people are far worse off under Republican leadership than Democrat.
Their power is unity. Copy it and start winning, or keep this bullshit up and keep losing. Which btw is absolutely worse for trans people. And everyone except the rich…
Liberals are not left, they are right wing.
Unity is when you throw your own base under the bus.
Liberals aren’t really on the left.
Gotta love the schordinger leftist, simultaneously responsible for the Dems loosing and not significant enough for Dems to pander to.
Letting the Republicans win to…
Checks notes
- Protect trans rights
Yes the only power you have is demanding things for your vote. If they believe you are willing to give your vote regardless of them not meeting your demands, then they will obviously not bother to meet them.
i demand the epstein class all be in jail and no other way i will vote for anything they say. i rather country burn otherwise as the source of burning are the epstein class. thats the fact and truth. anything less is treason. let the culture wars go into the toilet until we can achieve this as the epstein class deflect with culture wars.
If enough people demanded this then a party would likely step up to the plate. Or even more likely they would lie about it like Trump did last time and then not do it.
Your kind of willingness to throw trans people under the bus was actually directly responsible for Epstein getting away with his crimes. The name you’re looking for is Ava Cordero. She was one of Epstein’s first victims to come forward. She’s a trans woman and one of Epstein’s earliest victims.
Her cries were ignored. The newspapers laughed at her. People like you considered the idea of a trans woman being raped to be absolutely hilarious. People like you considered our lives to not be worth protecting. People like you ignored Ava, and people like you allowed Epstein to stay active for another decade.
The attitude you have, that trans issues are an unimportant distraction, directly contributed to all the evil Epstein did. Your beliefs enabled Epstein.
excuse me boys and girls were raped in the epstein files no one cares what gender it is your culture war gas lighting is noted. focus on jailing the criminals
Lemmy.World
Voting for transphobic democrats IS letting Republicans win.
But don’t you get it , if the Republicans win it will get worse faster. If you elect Democrat the camps they eventually agree too send you to will be so much nicer and dignified.
Well Everytime I bring up… So enjoy the gulags americucks. YOU FUCKING IDIOTS WILL KILL THOUSANDS OF SCHOOL CHILDREN BEFORE MURDERING PEDOPHILE POLITICIANS. EVIL FUCKS
Well there have been multiple attempts but I don’t think target assassinations would help, we need a general strike, but failing that people just refusing to work is probably about as good as it will get. As long as capitalists can still make the line go up they aren’t going to care and will continue to support and utilize police forces against the rest of us.
Damn this comment remained up, but when I said basically the same thing on a different post in this community it got deleted within 30 minutes. Maybe the mods are lightening up on what’s needed.
Holy fuck. Are you telling me that trans voters and supporters are not going to vote for a Democrat if they’re soft on trans rights? Is that all they’re concerned about? That’s the number one most important thing to them? Have any of them noticed the much bigger issues at play here? Republicans must be voted out of office and yet some of you apparently aren’t that worried about how they’re destroying our country because you won’t vote for their opposition. It’s hard to be principled when you’re fighting an unprincipled opponent.
Republican playbook for years: Make the Dems fight each other over social issues.
No. I’m not saying don’t vote for Democrats. All a lot of mouth breathers in this comment section can’t seem to understand that. The point is to not vote for the 1% of Democrats that turn against trans people. Those are the ones you should vote against. In fact, those are the same people who will vote against any bill to save democracy. They believe in nothing but power. You can’t rely on such cowards to pass unpopular laws that could actually save democracy.
I’m saying “don’t vote for more Fettermans,” while you’re over here cheering on the Fetterman caucus.
seems the trans community dont care about the nation one iota and just wants little trickets to appease them. they are not friends of the world or the nation it means. it wasn’t going to be an issue regardless idk what the heck they are complaining about little titles that mean nothing at all.
If you don’t care enough about my existence to protect my rights, I sure as hell don’t give a fuck if you effectively lose your right to vote. Honestly, you don’t deserve it at that point.
you never protected my rights anyway. life saving care is more important than your trans gender affirming care tbh.
very simple then make it universal basic income and give everyone cash in bank account based on inflation as well based on rent. say its 2000 now since inflation 24000 per year free. you do what you want if you want to blow it all on gender care thats on you. no social security no medicare no medicaid.
what would you do with 24000 with no strings. also if you want more for your group or yourself only you are just being greedy and selfish. eg part of the evil class as expected
2024: “If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over Palestinians and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over trans people?”
2026: “If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over trans people and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over gay people?”
2028: “If you accept that the Democrats are fucking over gay people and vote for them anyway, then are you going to follow the same logic when they fuck over PoC?”
2030…
This is exactly why you take a stand and nip that shit in the bud. “We will hang together, or we will all hang separately.” The moderate fascists want to chip us away, piece-by-piece, dividing and conquering so that our defeat is inevitable.
We have to draw a fucking line and hold that line, come hell or high water. Why would I stand behind someone who will sell me down the river at the drop of a hat, the moment it’s politically expedient?
Some people will just never understand this. But they can at least understand that it is what we believe, and that we will not abandon and sell out our comrades simply in the “lesser evil.” Whether we face a greater or lesser evil, we must face it united, or all hope is lost. Solidarity is non-negotiable.
if they revoke the allegence to the epstein class and jail them then that is enough for me to vote for them. i do not care which party it is jail the epstein class no matter the cost. the world will be at peace you can fight your culture wars after the main threat is gone and we can move on with our lives your gas lighting us with culture wars is their epstein agenda as always.
A CNN poll indicates that voters viewed trans issues as less important than 10 other topics at issue in the upcoming elections, including the economy, election integrity, voting rights, inflation and healthcare.
I mean… what else is there to say?
That you don’t care what happens to the Trans people that I know and care about?
I’m pretty sure a poll of U.S. voters is a poor indicator of what I, an European, think about trans issues but I would love to hear your theory about how those things are connected.
That’s what got the Republicans put in place. There are some political stances that need to be put on the shelf in order to save the country or at least get it to a gliding crash.
No. What got Republicans in place was Democrats abandoning core parts of their base in order to pander to imaginary Republican defectors. That’s what cost Kamala the election. Because vote scolding doesn’t actually get people to vote. Explaining lesser evil theory like a broken record doesn’t get people to vote. People are simply tired of voting for politicians that betray them. I’m sorry, but you aren’t owed anyone’s vote. If you’re willing to sacrifice minority groups to fascists, you deserve whatever the fascists will do to you in turn.
Oh this shit again.
A sincere fuck you to everyone who allows this argument to sway their choices in the voting booth.
Also, when you use the word “liberal” as a slur, you are living proof of the horseshoe theory. In other words, to use a contemporary fediverse lingo, you are a nazi.
I’m sorry that I want more than what dems are willing to deliver. It’s my fault they aren’t offering anything but “us or it’ll be even worse.” You’re right. I should stop asking for universal healthcare, Trans rights, an end to the genocide of the Palestinian people, and all that other crap. Sure thing.
Wake up. Most dems don’t care about you. It’s time we replace them.
Well, I’m not even american so fuck me too. I’d just rather prefer that you (as in american people) don’t elect russophile traitors to positions of power anymore, or people who protect those traitors from lawsuits and other consequences.
As it stands now over there, it seems to me that every non-vote for Democrats is a vote for the traitors.
You’d be more likely to have some luck with transrights and “the genocide” also with Democrats winning house and senate.
Wouldn’t hold your breath on that one. We have to deal with the rich before we can fix anything. But the class war is hard to wage in America because everyone is really fucking hungry or really fucking stupid. Our government has fallen to the perception and power of the dollar. Until people realize how fucked they actually are nothing is going to change. And that’s just like dipping your toe into this shitfuck fest.
I think if you’re basing your political hopes on americans getting so miserable that they’ll revolt or something, it doesn’t seem to be happening. Your median wages and average wealth have been growing steadily for the last at least 20 years, probably more.
In contrast, I’ve lived in a country where both have been stagnating for about the same 2 decades and people are still not really angry about it.
What country do you live in?
Finland. The happiest place on Earth.
Fuck me. Adopt me please.
Just so you know, horseshoe theory is just a meme and not something taken at all seriously by any political academic. It’s more right wing nonsense like “blue maga,” just psyops to keep stupid people from voting for Dems.
Just so you know, [citation needed]
I’m not obligated to educate you. If you’re gonna comment on a topic you know nothing about, you should educate yourself. But the whole criticism section on wiki is about how the idiot public keeps thinking it’s a thing in spite of basically every related academic field disregarding it as nonsense. If you can read, read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
I’m sorry for hurting you so badly, but you can get right out of here with your imagined superiority. It’s completely fake.
So you can’t read. That explains a lot.
Trans people are learning why many of us despise the Democratic party.
They’ve betrayed you, eh? First time?
If anything, it looks like you made it, you’re now just like everybody else in the “big tent”
Remember what Democrats did to labor? Look at it. LOOK AT LABOR NOW
because the gop was going to ever help labor trans folks or gaza?
look, you can change the dems. stop fucking around with centerists and push bernie and aoc types. you will never be able to afford to outspend big money and influence the gop.
oh, I get it, you could vote for jill stein, which is basically voting for trump again?
worked great for gaza
Everything i said is 100% true regardless. Labor was the top issue for Democrats only as long as union members could bribe them more than Amazon.
I’m voting D this election, but yeah. Democrats are being paid by the same people as Republicans, even if you pretend that they’re not. This is the situation we are in, and voting will not get you out of it. I’m voting anyway, I take it you are too… but it won’t change what fuels our parties, which is about a billion dollars per election cycle.
If you want Democrats to stand for GAZA, tell GAZA they’re going to have to pony up a lot more cash, at least as much as Israel
If you want Democrats to stand for trans, come up with few hundred million, and VIOLA! you have a friend (for an election cycle, at least. If you’re lucky, and nobody “donates” more)
Labor was the top issue for Democrats only as long as union members could bribe them more than Amazon.
the rich have been fucking labor far longer than Amazon has been around.
you’re not wrong about the money, or human rights, or gaza, but also, you’ll always have more support from ideologically motivated people on the left than you’ll find on the right.
Democrats are being paid by the same people as Republicans,
Citizens United works in mysterious ways
a vote for Jill Stein was a vote against Trump.
no it wasn’t. it was a vote that gave trump the win. literally how we ended up here.
it wasn’t counted for Trump.
if she had won, you would be praising her as a visionary over Hilary or kamala. and if all the votes for Hillary has gone to get, she would have won.
And if my aunt had wheels she’d be a bike.
The green party is a spoiler, and always has been, that only exists to split the vote and let the republicans win. That’s literally how electoral politics works in fptp.
there is no reason to believe people who voted for Greens would have voted for Democrats.
Democrats don’t own all votes that don’t go to Republicans. they must earn them. vote splitting is a myth that serves the hegemony.
there is no reason to believe people who voted for Greens would have voted for Democrats.
You mean aside from the constant drum beat that we should all vote for Joke Stein to send a message to the Democrats every 4 years?
vote splitting is a myth that serves the hegemony.
Yeah, that’s what people who don’t understand electoral politics and constantly push spoilers always tell me. Too bad I have a functioning brain that understands math.
There are only two parties that have a snowballs chance in hell of winning, but keep pretending like letting the Republicans win won’t hurt us all much more. Vote for whomever you want, but stop lying to yourself.
if she had won, you would be praising her as a visionary over Hilary or kamala
If she had won, it would have been a full term of getting obstructed by both the Democrats and Republicans, because her inexperienced party has 0 representation in the House and the Senate.
Fairy tale land thinking she would make any difference as the President without first having green party reps in lower government.
Thankfully most of us weren’t dumb enough to vote for that Russian stooge.
Funny how you suggest that the tens of millions of Clinton voters are the ones who should change their votes rather than the ~1.5 million who voted for the fourth place finisher.
she was investigated by the senate for any russian connections, and none were found.
Cool cool cool. So this means we shouldn’t vote for them.
My trans friends on the Kansas side of the border had their drivers licenses pulled because the veto-proof Republican Supermajority in one night made all drivers licenses that had gender not of birth null with no warning and that’s still currently being fought in the courts. Same time they put through a bathroom bill that has a bounty on it for people to call in where someone will have to go to court to prove themselves.
Somehow frankly shocked our Republican supermajority in MO hasn’t done the same, but they’re busy trying to take away our ability to pass laws because we managed to keep abortion legal. Oh… wait… they’re using trans people as the way to entice people to vote the outlawing of abortion again this election.
But we shouldn’t let the dems win.
I think a lot of yall saying this don’t live in red states where the water is already boiling. Best of luck to you, we’re trying our hardest to survive over here.
You have electoral near-sightedness.
And how will electing transphobic Democrats help with this issue? They’ll just vote with the Republicans to pass more transphobic laws.
The point is not “Democrats bad.” The point is “transphobe Democrats are bad.” A transphobic Democrat is just a Republican dressed in blue.
I live in Missouri (the St. Charles area) and I don’t support either of these bastards. Missouri is filled with morons though so we’re better off getting air striked than ever seeing any positive change. Put an actual socialist in charge of this state instead of Dems that literally put in their campaign ads that they’re conservatives who think the party went too far so they’re running as Democrats.
It’s not in the top five issues that need immediate attention. And by “immediate” I mean government immediate, of course.
It’s not even in the top ten. The other guys are going to make your lives worse so voting for them “out of spite” is about the stupidest thing a human monkey could do. Human beings “think”. Human monkeys - not so much.
How about lets put our agendas aside and made the United States of AMERICA the main agenda here. Unless you think you’d like to live in Russia, which is exactly where trump will take it if he steals these midterms.
The problem is no transphobic democrat is capable of saving democracy. That requires having a moral backbone and being willing to pass unpopular laws. People who believe in nothing and simply chase polls to power are not going to have the courage necessary to save democracy.
You can’t vote for cowards and then expect bravery.
The house is on fire and they’re complaining we refuse to talk about who does the dishes. I swear this culture has made people so self absorbed they are incapable of seeing when the system they’re a part of needs to be the priority. America could lose it’s democracy in this election and if it does, no amount of nagging is going to help trans rights.
You failed the part of history class where you had to read the “first they came for” poem, didn’t you?
Frankly, if you’re not willing to protect the minorities in your community, then you don’t deserve the right to vote.
You seem to have failed the part of history where minorities get sacrificed before meaningful resistance emerges. Or the part where the system of democracy needs to actually keep existing for trans to have any voice at all.
failed the part of history where minorities get sacrificed before meaningful resistance emerges
Oh, so I need to die for you to have a better world. I’m the martyr you need to inspire you to protect others. Got it. Super cool and not at all fucked up.
Liberals are so openly hateful, and they’re smug and feel superior about it.
Every minority is a sacrifice they’re willing to make.
You don’t get to dictate the course of events. History shows what will happen. On the scale needed to act, there is no personal choice involved. You aren’t the first or only group to suffer the anger and pain and fear and the injustice of being dependent on a community that refuses to do what is needed to protect you. We are not all in this together and we never were. The gross, ongoing and unfettered abuses of the wealthy and powerful have committed crimes against entire generations and the community continues to do nothing. Given what they are attempting right now, we’re all probably fucked. I’m sorry. I don’t have any hope left for you in America.
There is no overlap between the groups of “people who can save democracy” and “transphobic Democrats.”
That’s sounds moralistically naive.
At least Republicans admit they’re evil
Democrats spend their term trying to clean up Republican mistakes, and then get in trouble for not doing enough.
I don’t like either party, but you have the party that tried to minimize the AIDS epidemic vs the party that tried to get us universal healthcare (gutted into the ACA by McConnell and Ryan, but still).
It’s an easy choice. It’s not solving everything but it’s helping.
I get that’s what Democrats claim to do. But that’s just capitalist propaganda. The ACA is a great example, instead of actually making healthcare a human right it just further entrenched the power of insurance companies.
Its especially funny that you’re defending Democrats in the comments of a news story where they’re taking the morally reprehensible position of betraying trans people.
Look at how many times Democrats have fucked over people like Bernie Sanders. They’re not actually interested in making anyone’s life better. Democrats love the orphan crushing machine that is capitalism just as much as Republicans do. They just pretend to be nicer about it.
I get that’s what Democrats claim to do. But that’s just capitalist propaganda.
Are you still in high school?
The ACA is a great example, instead of actually making healthcare a human right it just further entrenched the power of insurance companies.
Surely you remember the original concepts of the ACA before Republicans gutted it? And if you were alive and using health insurance as an adult before the ACA, surely you understand why it’s better than the system before it.
Democrats love the orphan crushing machine that is capitalism just as much as Republicans do. They just pretend to be nicer about it.
You sure both sides are as bad as each other here?
SUPPORTING Trans people is an EASY and WINNING Issue? Quick! DO the OPPOSITE!
-LITERALLY Democrats!
A good chunk of the political ads in my very red area are Republicans saying that “men are going to be using the women’s bathrooms” if the Democrats win. It’s definitely a topic that the right likes to talk about to distract from the economy burning down. “But the bathrooms! Women’s sports!” and the people over here gobble it up
In my state Conservatives are trying to overthrow our choice to keep abortion rights that we voted for in 2024 by telling us keeping them will also be allowing for kids to transition surgically (I wish I was making it up, but there’s at least ads trying to tell people to not fall for it and that the amendment is just about abortion rights).
Ok, but think of all the conservatives we could win over by screwing over minority groups! The Baileys need to be represented!!
You have a choice of two lunches.
Stale bread and water OR a steaming pile of rancid horse dung marinated in cow urine and e-thot vomit.
You have electoral near-sightedness and the patience of a child.
How many elections in a row do you have to do this before it works? Ive been hearing this same fucking moronic argument since Darfur 2004 and surely it was alive before then. Wouldn’t you know it, no appreciable change in candidates. You gotta go DO SOMETHING but that’s no reason not to also vote like you’ve got a brain in your head.
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Now hold on. I have now read some of your other comments and you’re suggesting a targeted approach. For you and those who are specifically affected, I DO think that is a sane approach outside of the presidency. There definitely are people though who make the same argument you are making, but instead mean “no one should vote for any Democrat” and that is, to quote myself above, fucking moronic.
I’m sorry for being so acerbic, but we are seeing the same argument in different clothes for climate, for gay rights, for conservation, for AI, and it is patiently intentional for sowing division.
