Vote blue no matter who. Lol
So you’re actively building the alternative right now, right? You’re gonna have another party ready to go next election cycle? Link me to your projects. Surely you at least have some promising candidates lined up? And you’re out there getting the word out about them?
Or are you just going to criticize and nitpick because it’s easier?
the democrats have proven that they’re not going to stop this and your fellow liberals are more politically aligned w you than w me; so what are you doing to prevent it?
The bare minimum. Admittedly it’s not much, but even .0000000000000001 is infinitely larger than 0.
I’m not any less disillusioned with the system than you are. But I also admit to myself honestly that I am not going to get out there and man the barricades. At least the minimum is SOMETHING.
You don’t like the options? Fine. You should at least be building another one. What are you, a nihilist?
why not be significantly more effective than 1 millionth of a percent and join the 3-9% of american voters that have been trying to warn liberals that democrats are shit every election for the last several decades w a third party?
Warning them clearly isn’t doing anything. They’re not going to change. They’re not getting behind anything truly progressive. But I don’t see the 3-9% of American voters building an alternative. That’s a PRETTY big number - that’s millions of people… are they all just content to criticize and not actually MAKE an alternative? The rest of us are here - surely some of you are motivated enough to give US an alternative to the democrats? Why is it the democrats that have to make an alternative that’s palatable to YOU? This argument goes both ways, you know.
And the CLINCHER is it doesn’t have to be either/or. It’s ENTIRELY possible to both do the bare minimum AND also build the alternative at the same time.
But no, we’re just gonna ride the worst of both worlds into hell. Fine by me, I guess.
that 3-9% is the percentage of americans who have been paying attention to how shitty the democrats & republicans are and have been actively trying to build a better alternative through the green, socialist, libetarian, etc. parties. (atleast so until democrats and republicans join forces to quash them over and over and over again).
you either practice what you’re preaching here and give them your support or just sit & complain. like the other 90% of american voters, the choice is yours; you either keep voting for the 2 parties that have been cooperating w each other to bring us here or you try the only real alternatives that you’ve been willfully ignoring for the last several decades because of what the propaganda tells you about 3rd party voting and fptp deadlocking.
Okay, it’s my turn.
The democrats don’t inspire you with confidence? Fair.
The greens? The socialists? I’ve looked at Jill Stein… I’ve looked at De La Cruz… They don’t impress me either. In the same way you don’t owe the democrats a vote, progressives don’t owe a vote to a candidate just because they’re not a republican or democrat. Find someone inspiring and take advantage of the fact the internet has unprecedented reach.
I just looked at your post history. You’ve been here a year. I don’t see a SINGLE post supporting a third party candidate. You’re not stumping for Stein… You’re not stumping for anybody. Do you want them to MAGICALLY gain support?
Speaking of practicing what you preach… How am I supposed to get behind a third party candidate when the people who are ostensibly on that side can’t even be bothered?
I find it very funny how Americans spent like 50 years being all “we’re God’s chosen, we’re the only truly free people, we’re the good guys of the world, we’re the peacekeepers and the liberators, we beat the big bad, our nation is the greatest in the world” non-fucking-stop, year-round, but when fascism took root in their government they were all “oh no please save us, we can’t do this, we’re helpless widdle babies, somebody fix our problems for us.”
It must be hard when the bad guy is Caucasian huh?
lol you’re thinking of the people who are now fully supporting the fascism. They were the ones literally threatening to kill me for being against the patriot act and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and George fucking bush. Those people will still tell you all of those things—in the same breath that they tell you the country is going down the drain because brown people exist.
What do you propose they do?
Organize protests. Bring media. Obstruct Republicans in Congress whenever possible
Literally anything?
They could start with traveling with armed guards, or more specifically, law enforcement under their own lawful command. Then they can start actually exercising their authority and right to inspect federal facilities such as ICE detention centers. This is the right of every member of Congress. Any ICE or other agents that try to stop them are violating state and federal law. If ICE agents try to stop them, then they should have those ICE agents arrested on the spot.
But really, what they should be doing is stop looking for excuses, like you seem to be doing here. Republicans manage to delay and wring concessions out of Democrats when they’re out of power. But the Democrats were unwilling to use the debt ceiling or temporary budget bill earlier this year to demand concessions. They just said, “well, it would be really bad if the government shut down, guess we can’t do anything!”
Or they could use other Congressional powers. For example, they should be reading banned books, censored scientific articles, and information deleted from government web pages directly into the Congressional record.
But beyond that, they need rhetoric that isn’t cowardly. They should be in speech after speech, calling for the prosecution of ICE agents. They should be up there every day reminding everyone that there are no statutes of limitations for crimes against humanity. And in case of a pardon, they should be promising to ship ICE agents off the the Hague for trial.
And on and on. There are tons of things they could be doing. Many of these involve putting their actual persons at risk. But Democrats are leaders in name only. They have no interest in actually leading. They’re just there to collect a paycheck. When they’re out of power, they wring their hands and say, “we don’t have a majority, what do you propose we do?” When they’re in power, they wring their hands and say, “we only have a small majority, what do you propose we do?”
Or they could use other Congressional powers. For example, they should be reading banned books, censored scientific articles, and information deleted from government web pages directly into the Congressional record.
I really like this one. A “climate change report filibuster” would be an excellent way to obstruct and protest.
