A snake, a cat, a living toxic ball full of venom …and a puffer fish.
I am American and say .ml is the perfect representation of the American population.
Is it sarcasm?
Not at all. The only group I have ever seen that is as toxic as .ML was The Donald on Reddit. The Mods and users are literal propaganda machines and they all have alts and abuse the shit out of everyone who doesn’t boot lick authoritarians.
I honestly believe they are no different than the Alt-right. Maybe it is one of those horse shoe things, but more likely they are just disingenuous conservatives.
more a horseshoe thing. Once someone gets so authoritarian, there’s kinda’ no point in even looking for differences. They’re both interested in tasting boot, so fuck 'em both.
Id bet disingenuous conservatives from other cultures mixed in with useful idiot Americans.
Americans have a tendency to think the entire world is just McDonalds after McDonalds. There are millions of people on this earth that dont see things the way Americans do and the internet has no boarders.
nope, it would be center-right wing with a dash of "further right, but not maga right as a whole. is representative of america, ultra-left wing is a very small minority often with a younger population that isnt cognizant of history of "left leaning governments’, decades of anti-communist propaganda see to that a left leaning party never has power.
the rattlesnake is also venomous,
Every time I see an anti-.ml meme I wonder, why are people so worried about people seeing .ml content? If they’re jerks, wouldn’t you want people to stumble into .ml and find out?
Probably good to warn people that .ml isn’t representative of the fediverse at large, they’re just very loud.
If you were introducing a new friend to America but for some reason, knew their flight was landing in a MAGA convention, would you not warn them so they didn’t immediately turn around and go home?
.world is much louder than .ml
Much louder and more annoying about what they hate. .ml sticks to their same places. .world then invades and has its trolls stalk accounts into debates.
Okay, so if your friend would be frustrated by fairly mainstream opinions, wouldn’t you warn them about that too? Or just better to have them sort it out for themselves?
Seems pretty simple…
Telling my friend, someone I know, is one thing. Buying a billboard is another
You buy your memes instead of just making them while on the toilet? Wild.
But the larger point is that for a growing social network, yeah, warning newcomers about a group most find unpleasant (and given the upvote ratios on the post, the fediverse seems to agreed) seems a simple courtesy and helps us expand. Doing so in a jokey meme is just a fun way to do so.
I just don’t follow the logic. Let people waunder in to .ml and find out for themselves. Right now it just looks like the libs of .world are trying to censor .ml. What is .world so afraid of? Lemmygrad? That place is hilarious.
A warning isn’t censorship…
But, let’s work through the logic if you really don’t get it.
Why would you warn your friend but not others in the MAGA convention example? (Maybe this is the key.)
Before I found out, I would have preferred to find out naturally. After I did stumble in and find out, I wished somebody had warned me.
.ml is just the latest designated “tankie” instance. So far it’s the third one. Once .world defederates from .ml, the same people who currently hate .ml will designate another “tankie” instance to hate.
Some of them have already started with Db0
So .world is extremely anti free speech? Is there an easy way I can block all of .world from my feed then?
Free speech means that you can speak your opinion freely without the state (country…) punishing you for it.
Free speech doesn’t mean I have to listen to/read everything.
And yes, you can block the whole of lemmy.world easily, if you want to.
Didn’t ask what you wish I meant by “free speech” or what you’re glad I don’t mean by it.
Would thank you for answering what I asked if you didn’t waste my time answering (with fucked up wording) those 2 un-asked questions first
People who rant about “free speech” typically mean “hate speech” but don’t have the balls to just call it that.
Why do you want to block an instance? You don’t like free speech?
Wow you really wasted 5 seconds reading a lemmy reply
I did answer with these statements on your first question. Regarding the second one, sorry I’m not the tech support.
There’s a lot of users there who would very much prefer that no one to their left (and only their left) should be permitted to speak.
Your reply comes form there but will probably be the last post I see from there because I’m gonna go ahead and block the instance. Unless that still lets replies come through (fine with me, main feed is more my focus)
Interesting way of reasoning: “They are bad because they block stuff they don’t want to read, so I block them because what they do is stuff I don’t want to read.”
Shouldn’t you be blocking yourself if you follow that way of reasoning?
Yes, you can block it in settings.
This guide is wrote up for those who have a hard time banning .ml and constantly removed about being able to see our content. It could be used to ban .world if you want i guess.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
That’s not enough for the centrists. They don’t want anyone to be allowed to be exposed to any idea to their left. Under any circumstances.
The amount of effort it seems people who like to call themselves leftists but aren’t remotely interested in any practical means of getting there are astonishing.
I don’t think they ever make good faith arguments and spend 100% of their time online complaining about the practical leftists, doing things like calling them centerists for realizing their 1 day plans for revolution aren’t actually ever coming to fruition, or pointing out that their rhetoric, has, and continues to harm people by pulling power from the practical and pragmatic to the whimsical nonexistent nonsense they call solutions to problems but are actually just dream goals.
Somehow, no matter the damage they cause, they double down on pretending the people who aren’t in dream land but have the closslest to their goals as them, are the real problem worth complaining about and not the people setting things on fire.
I have to feel like these people are Jill Stien esque psyops sent to derail leftist ideas from ever actually seeing the light of day.
When it comes to doing the right thing for the American people, the useless centrists you insist on calling “practical leftists” do nothing and call it incrementalism.
When it comes to selling weapons for genocide, they can’t do it fast enough and will fight to keep doing it no matter what it costs the American people.
The country has slid to the right for decades and “practical” do-nothing-but-genocide centrists are enthusiastically complicit.
You are clearly trying to strawman me again, which seems like your go to move here.
The DNC is currently a center right organization.
Practical leftists support them because they understand that in the American political system it is impossible to make another party, so the only way to avoid what we have here is to support the democrats and change them with local politics and primaries.
The practical leftists aren’t foolish enough to believe that the democrats losing will magically move them left, as what we’ve seen is instead, they’re happy to continue being “at least we aren’t republicans”
Your attempt to call the centrrists do nothing but genocide is an astoundingly ignorant take that shows you truly don’t take politics seriously, as you only go based on vibes and not policy decisions and more than that do not understand how little can be done in a permanent fashion when voters let in the other party every 4 to 8 years and you have no usable senate super majority.
You have yet to say anything that wasn’t repeating your strawman like a broken record. Like your politics don’t have any nuance to them at all or aren’t your honest opinions but just something you where to troll people who are actually angry with the state of USA politics.
Oh look, someone else to block.
Nobody cares who you block
Do you announce every button you press?
“Hitting the reply button below your comment!”
“Typing my comment!”
“Clicking Reply!”
Yes they do, that’s how they operate. It’s just showing off they don’t like new viewpoints.
Another!
People designated .ml as a tankie instance for very good reason: the admins of .ml have repeatedly shown to be pro-authoritarian.
For years now I’ve seen incessant gaslighting from tankies pretending that “tankie” is some catch-all term baselessly thrown around like “woke”. However, I’ve pretty much exclusively seen the term “tankie” used to describe people who support authoritarian regimes/dictatorships.
By any leftist conception, capitalist nations are undeniably authoritarian, yet you never see self described “leftist” who praise welfare capitalist states like the Scandinavian countries getting called a tankie. Clearly the term is not “used to describe people who support authoritarian regimes/dictatorships”.
There was a few people calling dbzer0 a tankie instance, when it’s an anarchist instance.
Yeah we’re somehow Tankies for wanting democrats to try harder and saying we need to do more then vote.
An ‘anarchist’ instance which claims to oppose genocide, yet allows genocide denial if it’s painted red, and where the admins deny UN verified sexual assault.
Fantastic.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
I don’t support authoritarian regimes, but I get called a tankie plenty by centrists who hate that I don’t support the authoritarian regime that their wing of the party sold weapons to.
“Tankie” is just something the genocide wing calls people who disagree with their only policy.
ah, then my impressions are biased, since I haven’t heard that term outside of Lemmy.
There’s pretty much only one person I know irl that calls themselves a “centrist”.
Bedtimes are authoritarian, your parents are tyrannical
LOL. Your main instance — lemmy.blahaj.zone —has a blanket ban on all Marxist Leninists, regardless of whether they are “tankie” or not. That is the most authoritarian thing I have seen on Lemmy so far and it’s from a self-proclaimed anarchist instance. The hypocrisy is hilarious. Anarkiddies are so unserious.
Sure? But Blahaj isn’t a country, it’s a social media.
I’m free to register on multiple instances at once. If I ever became displeased with Blahaj’s admins, I could very easily go elsewhere.
.ml also isn’t a country
Why are you talking about countries? This thread is about social media.
Anti-leftism is an all consuming, load-bearing pillar of fascism. Since .ml is tangentially leftist aligned…
No one “worries” about seeing it. It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in, a .ml, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “capitalism causes all problems in the universe” or the rest of their standard “I’m 19 and this is deep” tankie talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the instance. It’s exhausting and pointless. No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism, so it’s just of a constant eye-roll when “I’m an independent thinker! Here’s the same thing we all say!” happens.
Edit: OOOh, seems like I struck a nerve, eh?
During the Reddit exodus, there were lots of complaints about left wing extremism. Most of them were landing on ml, grad or hexbear. This isn’t a good thing in the long run, so the bad press is necessary; otherwise this place risks being branded as “tankie HQ” before we can get some real traffic here.
Certain people just like echo chambers and can’t see the value of opposing beliefs or arguments, no matter the level of sense that those may or not make.
Libs vs tankies is just an extension of imperial conflict.
My conspiracy is that people are trying to ramp up enough of a campaign to defederate from .ml, not knowing it’s history on Lemmy and how most .ml users are actually quite chill and actually genuine people once you get to know them. I mean Jesus Christ guys, .ml users arent all bots.
how I look while typing replies:
Lemmy.ml is the devil tempting good leftists to sin. They pretend to be leftists, but the admins are transphobic. It’s a trap designed to trick leftists into supporting transphobia. That way they won’t get to go to heaven.
I was made a moderator here after calling out cis shitters being transphobic in our trans comm; the only admin we have beef with is Nutomic, the rest have been fine.
Have you considered that you defending an instance that defends a transphobe means you are defending a transphobe? Because Jesus Christ (transmasculine, He/Him) would have considered that if He were in your position, and He wouldn’t do it. It’s a sin.
I’ll happily go to hell if the alternative is ceding a space I’m in to transphobes without a fight tyvm
Well no, both of those things are supporting transphobes, the only difference is whether you’re supporting Nutomic’s transphobia or someone else’s. The true alternative is to quit lemmy.ml and not be a transphobe supporter at all.
I guess your argument is the best thing to do is to slowly reform the space by working under a transphobe, like that’s ever worked in history.
is your actual position that trans people should give transphobes free reign in any and every space they want, because to contest that would be actually supporting them?
My actual position is that Dessalines should tell Nutomic to either stop being a transphobe or get lost. And since Dessalines won’t do either, lemmy.ml is a lost cause and should be defederated by every trans-respecting instance until it’s stuck in its own little transphobic bubble with lemmygrad and hexbear. The rest of us get on with our lives and slowly move over to Piefed like Ada is doing with her community. Eventually lemmy.ml is about as influential as Truth Social or Raddle or Digg and Nutomic dies at the ripe old age of 90, having learned nothing and lost all relevance. In the intervening decades a worldwide communist revolution has destroyed capitalism, so Nutomic is entitled to free healthcare in his battle with cancer/parkinsons/dementia, because I support liberty and equality for all, even wankers.
That’s what I think we should do.
Facts
Jesus Christ is a fictional character and the logical end conclusion of your points is:
“Transphobes decide where everyone else can go. First we wait to see where transphobes go, and then we stay away from those places, because we want the transphobes to have free ownership of whatever they choose and not be bothered by anyone”
Nutomic is one of the two lead developers and owners of lemmy.ml. If using and defending a platform owned by a transphobe is brave resistance, why don’t you go to Truth Social or Xitter instead? It would save us having to hear your silly arguments.
I use X because I’m not banned there. I won’t bother with Truth Social knowing they’d ban me
Well there we go, don’t we
Can we not do the reddit novelty accounts here?
Lol yeah you sound like a jesus fan, physically incapable of understanding anything outside the context of sin and damnation
You were on the right track but then fell off
I can’t tell whether a meme featuring a character from a Chinese game company is part of the joke or coincidental.
Either way, I upvote for Silver Wife.
Except it’s true. Not a fan of tankies or marxism
personally I prefer marxist/anarchist spaces, not a fan of liberals or conservatives
That’s great for you, you can enjoy your commie and anarchy. I’m just gunna chill over here.
It’d be worthwhile opening up your mind to Marxism. Tankies are kinda like the KKK of conservativism
I know about marxism it’s not for me. I like democracy and capitalism and I don’t even benefit from it much, but I just prefer it to be this way.
That’s kinda the problem though. Preferring it to be this way isn’t a realistic thing. Capitalism will end in favour of something else eventually; whether it be in our lifetimes or 500 years from now. That’s what Marxism explains.
Similarly, Marxism aims to achieve MORE democracy than we currently have. You’re only aware of the Leninist variants. You don’t actually know as much as you think.
Naw again I understand it I just prefer the way the government is now. I don’t think marxism is the solution or it will happen in our lifetimes but I agree it might in the future
I don’t even benefit from it much, but I just prefer it to be this way.
Cool life. \s
yes sir.
Hell yeah, spread it out for everyone to see.
Noice
Oh gawd that is rich, do authoritarians pay you for these sick memes!?
I actually unlocked the ultimate grift: getting on the payroll for every foreign government all at once in return for my single digit posts per day on obscure internet forum for linux nerds.
Me, I’m not on anybody’s payroll. But I’m trying to be. Once I build up my modlog enough as a freelancer, the plan is to print it out and mail it to the nearest Chinese embassy so I can finally quit my day job.
"Thanks for joining us for the Militant Lemmy 2025 awards show! It is going to be a great year for autocrats boys and girls. A special thanks to all our disenfranchised westerners, remember without your misguided support tyrants everywhere might feel unwelcome.
For our first award this year we are celebrating the most hypocritical poster. We are not just talking about any old conservative hypocrite here, we are talking about people so hypocritical they don’t even remember what they actually agreed or disagreed with to begin with. People who are so contradictory they make doublethink seem like a fun meditative practice.
Alright, the votes are in. This is going to be a wild one folks! This years winner is none other than DIVA!!!"
See, this proves even if you are a lonely pusher of shitty propaganda you to can get recognized for your efforts. Congratulations, you really do deserve it.
Idk why you call my hypocritical or disingenuous, I’m actually very ideologically consistent and earnest, I just like to joke around as well.
that aside, I don’t need your recognition when I already have like 12 different paychecks rolling in
Why do you care about tankies so much?
You can just let people be wrong. It costs nothing.
They’re obviously hardliners to the point of comedic effect but why do you care so much to argue?
Do you really expect someone who’s so set in their opinions as to join .ml to read your comment and just go, “oh damn, guess I’ll just stop believing in the things I believe in and believe in entirely different things”?
Do you genuinely think you’re so convincing or do you just enjoy a good pissing contest?
Why do you care about tankies so much?
You can just let people be wrong. It costs nothing.
Well… when they’re for example spreading disinformation and propaganda for Russia, that can cost a lot, even if not immediately, or not to you personally. As someone from a small nation that has a long history of being attacked by Russia, I’ll ask: what do you think ultimately happens when more and more people start to believe they have the right to invade their neighbors…? I’d rather not just let paid trolls and simple idiots spread Kreml’s disinformation to weaken “the west”, and justify taking over Ukraine and attacks on other countries as well
Well… when they’re for example spreading disinformation and propaganda for Russia, that can cost a lot
Yes, I agree, spreading Russia’s misinformation should be combated and illegal.
We need to immediately close and fine Facebook, X and Reddit.
Do you believe that engaging in arguments will change that? If anything your helping them by boosting their visibility via engagement metrics.
Changing a tankie’s mind with arguing is a sisyphean task.
Changing their minds isn’t really the point of it, it’s more about giving the other people possibly seeing the thing a better chance to realize what they’re reading, so they might not believe the disinformation as easily.
Obviously fighting constantly against a crowd consisting mostly of trolls and idiots you can’t even tell apart would take a heavy toll on anyone - I fully agree with it being a sisyphean task. Personally I just tend to block the major communities harboring them, and do only small stuff like these comments pointing this pattern out
Tankies are the worst of the worst. They ban people for nonsense, brigade people with alts, and are devoid of candor. I have talked with hundreds of people who have been mistreated and abused by them including myself.
What I say here has no bearing on anything and I am not stopping anyone from doing anything. I have no power, I am not a mod, and I don’t have alts.
I was literally having a fun fantasy in the face of someone that is without a doubt disingenuous. It is taking it to a higher place beyond what is going on. Absurdity meets absurdity. I get you don’t get it and that is okay.
Lol pure projection
I have no love for tankies. It just seemed like a lot of effort and mental energy went into that so I thought there may be some interesting lore there.
Pick up that can…
Imagine loving kindergarten and the “clean up” song so much that you post this meme repeatedly thinking it’s some kind of burn, while not even realizing that this kind of thing completely serves authoritarianism.
Indoctrination works.
Politically you are a toddler
You do know that crazy people can believe in and spread conspiracy theories for free…
So not liking .ml makes you checks notes a conspiracy theorist. Got it.
Your reading comprehension needs work.
Your probably right.
Im an anarcho communist and i can not fucking stand tankies. Especially the vangaurd dipshits
Doesn’t that mean you want to forcibly cease people’s property at gun point and shoot them if they try to stop you? That sounds pretty fucking tankie to me.
Lmfao what a gross misunderstanding of anarchism. I assume you stopped learning after public school from a comment like that
Ok tankie
Lmao
Anarcho communism…anarchosyndicalism…Christ I wanna take all these obfuscations, crumple them into a ball of just plain anarchy, and burn it. No offense of course!
Yeah, it just helps filter the madness. Anarcho capitalists still consider themselves anarchists even though they are fucking stupid
Well I guess nothing causes chaos quite like that 🤑
As a side note, I’ve only done very little Wikipedia level reading on anarchocommunism, and as much as I also believe people help each other willingly, I’ve yet to hear a good defence on how it would be possible with the massive populations we have now, as opposed to pre-history.
It’s all well and good that there are federated groups, with free association, but this is fundamentally ignoring that not all regions are equally blessed in resources.
If you have money, well then you need a centralised or decentralised way of miniting the money.
If you don’t have money, well, I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think that people will want to take care more of the people immediately around them, rather than people on the other side of the world, and since we’re not getting together on large scales to make binding decisions, then there’s no way to guarantee that everyone has a fair share.
I’m not saying that more decentralised government wouldn’t work, but I do remain thoroughly unconvinced that free association of small groups across the entire world, would lead to much equity at all.
And as much as we may dream, there WILL be dickheads ruining it for the rest of us. Humans are nice, but humans can also be awful. Pretending otherwise is foolish and doomed to failure.
I’m a socialist, and am very keen to hear your thoughts :)
You know what’s cute?
Watching Anarcosyndicalists argue vehemently with Anarchocapitalists
I really rather not argue with ‘ancaps’, it’s a meme ideology that is completely fine with a dictatorship of capital.
here’s my favorite writeup from an ‘ancap’ after one such exchange:
spoiler
I was beat up by left anarchists in Greece.
I don’t usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell’s blog, but they didn’t seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.
Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad’s company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).
I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of “anarchists” and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.
I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn’t see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn’t read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.
This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don’t know why, but I didn’t say anything) and they invited me inside.
We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn’t as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.
I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don’t even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like “nooo” we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.
And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.
I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that’s it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don’t have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like “noooo” again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says “nooo” or expresses some disapproval at the same time.
And one of them said “but we do want to stop democracy” and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn’t really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.
So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.
Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.
Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling “you’re breaking the NAP” and things like that. “Stop initiating force against me.” Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.
I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.
So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.
I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don’t worry. Just needed to share.
I’m gonna be honest, kicking the shit out of a nerd because you don’t agree with his words is not as cool as you seem to think.
Sure he was “wrong,” but did anyone try “please leave, we no longer wish to discuss these matters with you” before jumping to initiating violence? Multiple attackers no less (which would meet the threshold of deadly force in most states, luckily for them not Greece).
Back in my day children were taught to use their words, but I guess immature adults that are incapable of doing so still have to bully people physically, sucks to suck I guess, get eloquent losers.
counterpoint: ancaps suck and I don’t care about people being mean to them
Sure, then again tankies suck but I don’t think people should initiate violence against them for their words, I’ll just argue or cut comtact. Guess that’s what makes me better than you.
They’re not arguing for racism and capitalism to continue though but you can do what you like and I’ll continue to laugh at the copypasta
That’s what makes us civilized, and the Diva from lemmy.ml Part of the Problem, and actually an unintentional Nazi accelerant and enaber.
Ahhh… lemmy.ml; I should have known. An information bubble.
Yes it feels good an cathartic to hate on people whose ideas are perverse. Let the hate flow through you all you like; it won’t turn you into one of the Good Guys.
Yes, Nazi ideology needs to be annealed, expunged, eliminated from the world in the same way that, say, chattel slavery (laregly) has been.
No, that won’t happen by people beating up Nazis.
Grow up
Yes, Nazi ideology needs to be annealed, expunged, eliminated from the world in the same way that, say, chattel slavery (laregly) has been.
what does annealed mean in this usage? I don’t get the metaphor you’re going for because the literal reading to me says you’re saying that it must tempered/softened. I don’t think that’s an appropriate response to Nazis, it’s a very soft connotation.
Grow up
making fun of libertarians really struck a nerve huh
Physical violence is literally the only way to stop nazis, go read a book
This copypasta is fantastic lmao
Molyneux or Cantwell
I stopped reading here. Molyneux is an open white supremacist; Cantwell is more well-known as “the Crying Nazi”
Anyone consuming their content regularly and posting to these blogs shares much more ideologically with the Third Reich than they do with any notion of tolerant diverse civil society.
my experience with US libertarians is that they’re all like that just under the surface
they’re all like that
You do understand how tribal and insular this is, and how much you are playing into exactly the us-versuss-them dynamic that you purport to hate?
just stating my experience with them as I’ve known many over the years, the ones who are actually earnest stop being ancaps/libertarians
Was that post even real though? I feel like it’s been debunked.
it’s so on the nose it’s probably fabricated, but I still find it amusing
Ah geez just melt my brain instead 💀
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Wait until you meet the other people who hate tankies.
Tell me one (1) successful socialist revolution you support
Or, better, do you support the Spanish Civil War anarchists (who lost to fascism) more than the Bolsheviks (who won)?
As if lemmy.world isn’t a total pile of shit
I’ve never been banned from lemmy.world for describing my own experience when I was in Cuba 🙃
I got banned for reporting a Gaza Genocide denier. I was told that Gaza genocide denial is exempt from the normal rules and thus by reporting it I was being uncivil.
I also got a ban for “misinformation” for saying Kamala Harris supported Israel.
I was banned from [email protected] simply for asking for evidence for claims made about China.
got a link to this? would love to see context
I blocked the comm (as I do any that ban me) but this should be the link to it.
It started off in a completely unrelated discussion, where someone recognized my username and accused me of “supporting genocide of Uighurs,” which is false. I don’t think anyone should start genociding them or anyone else, and have never said anything like that. What I have said before is that I don’t believe claims without evidence, even if following proper due diligence in investigating claims regarding genocide cause people to baselessly scream that I “support genocide.”
So a mod responded by doing what libs do, typing it into Google and picking a handful of headlines that sounded like they support their case and posting them without reading. At that point, I simply asked the mod how many times the name Adrian Zenz was mentioned in his links and whether he considered him a reliable source or not. In lieu of responding, he banned me.
The answer was that his name was referenced 18 times. All of the sources I was provided with depended on this one witness’s testimony, and I’ve cross-examined more credible parrots.
Like, I didn’t even come to that thread to discuss it, nor did I comment on whether the claims were true or not. In response to someone who just had it out for me and was accusing me of bullshit, I defended my position saying I don’t believe claims without evidence and haven’t seen credible evidence.
Frankly, I think the mod (Jordunlund, I believe) realized they couldn’t give a rational response so they banned me instead. Tbh, it’s a ban I wear with pride. A perfect demonstration of liberal anti-intellectualism, of how they’re actively hostile to fact-checking and rationality, perhaps 10% less so than chuds are. No one who repeats the claims in question ever actually bothered to trace the sources to see whether they’re backed by anything, and immediately shut down anyone who does.
Don’t need a link. Uighur “genocide” 99% cited is Zenz, founder of Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a U.S. “communism bad mkay?” think tank. Mostly propagated by BBC, fuelled by the crumbling and sore Brit empire.
China has plenty of problems. Xin jiang ain’t it.
Figure he inflated numbers cuz he’s super capitalist? Citations could make sense if he’s the expert, saw he lived in China, but anyway curious your idea of his angle (ideology or money)
Dude’s a feather ruffler!:
Zenz has been the target of a pro-Beijing disinformation campaign, according to U.S.-based cybersecurity firm Mandiant.
As a result of his work on Xinjiang, Zenz has become a target for coordinated disinformation attacks from pro-Beijing and Chinese state-run media as well as other state-affiliated entities.
-Wiki (he wasn’t linked on the foundation page, nor mentioned, he founded or is director or both?)
This guy seem credible to you? https://books.google.de/books/about/Worthy_to_Escape.html?id=lRtSQB3HHJcC&redir_esc=y
Hitler succesfully reduced crime - Zenz
Fundamentalist is he?
Point 2: I get ya. Had me confused. Took me a sec.
Was drawing historical parallel. Note word “unpopular” in particular.
Kinda “don’t forget Hitler had supporters”, ya? If I hadn’t clicked that paraphrase woulda left me with opposite impression, would note when paraphrasing pls
Also IDK if credible cuz read one Wiki page (JK read 15% of it)
Citations could make sense if he’s the expert, saw he lived in China
Adrien Zenz has never set one foot in China and doesn’t speak an iota of the language.
AFAIK, the mod log is public. Click the 3 vertical dots below my comment, click UltraGiGaGigantic’s mod history.
Ditto
I got banned there for linking readsettlers.org and posting a video critical of Ukraine. Then for calling out the mod who banned me because he said “he vets everything before a ban” even though he clearly hadn’t in my case.
I got banned from feddit.org for calling out Genocidesmany’s role in the palestinian genocides
Just yesterday I caught a ban on lefty memes for calling the azov brigade nazis.
repeats what russian disinformation campaigns say, doesn’t understand why they’re banned… huh
Just because you don’t like the people saying it doesn’t make it misinformation
From the quote of Noja, switch the word “Russian” with trump, like this:
repeats what trump disinformation campaigns say, doesn’t understand why they’re banned… huh
and you get the identical quote of Amnesigenic…
Just because you don’t like the people saying it doesn’t make it misinformation
but from Maga.
Damn, if you replace the words “finger licking” with “fascism” then KFC sound like Nazis!
Cool story
Which part? The video that talks about Ukrainian politics that are easily independently corroborated or the military brigade with a Wolfsangel as it’s symbol being nazi? Which one is the disinformation?
Lemmy.world communities will ban for pushing back against the western narrative, and pointing out their struggles are due to illegal sanctions, and not any failures of communism. Lemmy.ml communities won’t tolerate the willful ignorance.
Not the flex you think it is.
Willful ignorance is me talking about my lived experience when I was in Cuba? 😆 go outside.
“I went to Gaza twice in the past six years and the beach resorts were utter shit.”
Not understanding the context of that experience is willful ignorance. Read a book.
If your “lived experience” just happens to align perfectly with US propaganda then yeah
I mean if the experience is same as the propaganda says then someone might think at least that part of the proparanda might be true. It doesn’t have to be all lies, best proparanda is one where you don’t have to lie
The only parts of US propaganda about Cuba that are even partially true are also the direct result of the US interfering with Cuba’s ability to trade with other countries freely
Me neither, but I have never been to Cuba.
/j
I like it there. The people are nice and welcoming and the beaches are phenomenal. The pandemic absolutely rocked the country. I came back after the pandemic and there were rolling blackouts, not enough protein, even more limits on food options.
They had a big revolt and protests against the gov over the way they handled the pandemic (see articles on Wikipedia for more context). I explained this revolt as told to me by my bus driver. That got me banned from Lemmy.ml (in a post asking what’s going on with Cuba).
Even in this thread if you see some of the replies here, there are lunatics claiming everything I said is fake and that I have ulterior motives. I’m shocked lol. I’m just a dude from Canada who went to Cuba a couple times on holiday.
So how is the situation in Cuba?
Last time I was there - hot, lacking proteins, rolling blackouts, and the bus follows its own schedule 😆 The convertible taxi drivers are cool and they’ve got these old ass 50s cars with modern stereo systems spliced in. I wish I had brought my bike to ride the coastlines. They’ve got some excellent roads right on the coast.
.ml or Cuba?
.ml probably stole their food.
Do you still maybe have a link to the post somewhere? I’m curious how’s Cuba like, I was wondering if I should maybe go for a trip there or if it’s a bad time.
My post was removed unfortunately but if you see my other comments in this thread I go over it a bit. The last time I was there it was last year so things could have changed.
If you’re going to a resort, expect to have few food options. You won’t go hungry but depending on all sorts of factors, you might only get eggs at the breakfast buffet once a week. It’s expected to tip the staff with a few USD. You can go into Havana or Varadero and go sightseeing and explore. Havana is better for this. Varadero is pretty touristy but still very nice. The restaurants in the city have much better food (I even had fried chicken!) but don’t drink anything with ice. The water isn’t filtered and you’ll probably get mild runs for a day. Wasn’t even that bad but was not a super comfortable day haha.
If you’re looking for a very cheap sunny beach vacation spot and don’t mind the limited food options, it’s great. Expect to only see Russian and Quebec tourists. You may stumble upon the odd Australian or British person but it’s like 60% French Canadians that go there, 30% Russians, and 10% other countries.
You’ll find no Americans there (since it’s illegal for them).
If that’s your gold standard for a pile of shit, have you considered that you’ve been fooled to be content with a polished turd?
Lmao I’ve physically been there twice in the past 6 years and seen how things are with my own eyes.
You and your delusional friends will never convince me that my own lived experience is a lie haha. What a waste of your own time and energy.
You have physically been to a website? And you call me delusional? I was talking about lemmy.world, but we could always talk about Cuba as I’ve been there too.
Edit: I don’t think I will actually bother with this. May your understanding of the world surpass your understanding of context. Good bye.
And you are sure you weren’t given a staged tour that has nothing to do with the reality of most people?
When I bought cigars factory made, smuggled out and sold in shacks in Havanna I doubt it was part of the staged tour - Considering the staged tour was in the factory itself and we were told it was strickly forbidden to buy cigars straight from the factory workers. So we became friendly with them instead and met up after they finished their shift and went to their home shack where we had dinner together, dealt Cohibas and Romeo y Julieta and talked about how life in Cuba was.
But why ask? Have I even said anything about Cuba in this thread beyond that I’ve been there too? Perhaps you’re just an idiot?
Lol doubt it
You’ve never left your state lmao
I lived in six different states and another country before I started middle school, try again loser
The meme isn’t about lemmy.world. World has a shit ton of issues, including shitty admin and moderator behaviour, sure, but that’s not relevant to this meme.
Piefed and .world the ultimate lost Redditor starterpack.
Must be exhausting to continously maintain your campaign against .ml
Why not just block and move on with your life?
Why are we fighting culture wars when the real enemy is Reddit and non-free social media?
This infighting seems unproductive and frankly a waste of time.
EDIT: damn
Because .world is trying to be the next Reddit, which is why they’re working so hard to monopolize the fediverse and demonise other instances
Tell this the powertripping bastards at lemmy.ml, trying to censor everything that is not 100% aligned with their extremist views.
Yeah that’s a rule1 violation and a ban for you
I’ve made it 5 years without catching a ban from anywhere except some community on another instance for allegedly being anti-trans, but idk how they got that since I’m pro-trans
Such as? What extremist views?
Russia and China are beacons of freedom and prosperity, and everyone should emulate them
There is not a single person on .ml who holds that obviously strawmanned view, and you don’t have a single example of it
Sure thing skip
Yup. Which is why you’re having to make shit up
You can keep telling yourself that
Well, China is a “beacon of prosperity” by any objective measure. I’ve not seen anyone there make the other claims. Though they do debunk a lot of the anti-Russia and anti-China propaganda, they back it up with facts.
It’s a beacon of prosperity when there are anti suicide nets at foxcon? Or like the 996? Run by a dictator, also committing genocide isn’t very prosperous. My interactions have been " if it’s western propaganda it’s entirely false, but Chinese or Russian propaganda is entirely true"
Lifting 800 million people out of poverty is more than economic system has ever done.
What genocide?
800 million people out of poverty is a stretch but if you wanted to make that claim, it’s because the west spent so much money to get goods from China. And the ethnic cleansing of the Uyghurs
anti suicide nets
Should they just let people kill themselves?
996
Is illegal
Committing genocide
The UN did not find genocide only human rights abuses at best. You can go to China, you can go to a mosque and talk to Uyghurs there.
Meanwhile the west is funding a real genocide in Gaza. You can’t go there to film the atrocities being committed and brave people still try. Israel has killed more journalists in their genocide than ww2
Dictator
Should they just let people kill themselves?
Or maybe if it’s so prosperous people wouldn’t want to work in a place where they want to kill themselves.
Is illegal
That has never stopped authoritarian governments lol
Ok sorry ethnic cleansing isn’t genocide, sorry…
And you think I’m supporting the west’s genocide in palestine? Nah miss me with that shit
Dictator
Yeah dawg I saw the source of that and I was banned in an .ml instance for saying “hows life in north Korea?” “Can’t complain” lol
by any objective measure.
Does that objective measure also happen yo include freedom of press? Because boy i have some news for you…
they back it up with facts.
Revisionist facts? Whose alt is this?
No, freedom of press is not a measure of prosperity. And I don’t know many western countries that are in a position to point fingers at this point, considering how many journalists they’ve helped kill when they covered a genocide.
I don’t see how China is in a position to point fingers considering the treatment of the uyghurs
China is a “beacon of prosperity”
Lol. Lmao even.
Compare for instance homelessness in china and the west. Homeownership. Access to healthcare, higher education, public transportation etc. Why do you think it’s not a beacon of prosperity?
China doesn’t have better healthcare than the US, their system is essentailly Obamacare. I’ve asked my aunts in China about it.
Homeownership? I mean that’s just white westerners mismanaging their money. Literally I heard of white dudes be spending their entire paycheck in bars and gambling, while still having unpaid bills. Look at the percentage of Asian Americans owning homes compared to non-Asians Americans, maybe its not a “China vs West” thing, but just Asian people are more responsible with money, I mean, we literally live in the same country as y’all, and as a matter of fact, we even face more discrimination and prejudice, yet somehow, Asian people have higher home ownership. No offense, and not to victim blame, but what are y’all doing? I mean… My family didn’t come from a rich background either, we grew up in poverty.
High education? I mean, depends. I had a Hukou in Taishan (rural) and was denied access to Guangzhou’s (urban) public schools. A permanent 2nd class resident basically. Even the US (prior to 2025, at least) had allowed undocumented immigrants to go to public school, yet China denied their own citizens education if they dare to move to another location even within the country. If we hadn’t moved abroad, we have to eventually go to highschool in Taishan, which has a much lower quality of education than Urban areas.
Public transportation… well you got that part right, I’ll ackowledge that. I remember Guangzhou’s metro being way more modern and cleaner than the US, and I loved the platform safety door protecting people from falling. But that doesn’t exactly matter that much when the job market is fucked. And Hukou system is fucking stupid.
The only way for China to be a “beacon of prosperity” for you is if you have some skills like being a scientist or something like that, or just born into wealth. Otherwise, its not a great place for average people.
If its a beacon of prosperity, why are there so many people leaving? Why is there a consensus amongst the most of the Chinese Diaspora that the west is better?
(Rhetorical question, don’t bother answering)
why are there so many people leaving?
Forbes about the topic:
Millionaires and billionaires have decided to leave China, voting with their feet on Xi’s economic management and on the economy’s …
Have you seen the non-.ml posts on lemmy about the unjust economy and the billionaires?
Arguing that billionaires have a better life in the west is not the flex you think it is.
My parents both grew up in poverty in rural villages, the Hukou system prevented people from leaving Taishan to seek better income, until Deng Xiaoping’s Opening Up and Reforms. Even then, jobs have much longer hours and minimal break time. I never really got to see my parents much, they just left my brother and I at home, just the two of us alone, so we end up fighting a lot. That was what “child care” was. At least until I was even old enough to be enrolled in pre-school and primary school.
Because I was the 2nd child, I didn’t get legal recognition of my existence until my parent paid the government’s demand of a large payment (aka: a "fine) for not having a government permission slip for childbirth, which is like wtf, why is that the government’s bussiness?!?
And because we didn’t have Hukou in Guangzhou, they didn’t let us be in public schools, my parents had to pay for those privately run “school” which have a lower quality of education.
When my family (legally) immigrated to the US, at first, the work wasn’t that much better, but eventually they managed to save up and buy a house, and eventually found better income, much better than any of the work they could find in China.
Of course, western countries has its own problems, such as xenophobia and racism, but for the most part, for most people, including many of my parents friends and relative who left China, life is generally better abroad compared to staying in China.
Depending on your circumstances of course, if you are a scientist, maybe its would be best for you to stay, but most of us aren’t scientists, don’t have much opportunity for income in China.
I like pistachio ice cream
What is extremist about that?
Yearning for a dictatorship is generally considered an extreme opinion.
Wanting the 99% in charge as opposed to the current 1% is the opposite of yearning for a dictatorship. That’s yearning for its destruction.
I yearn for direct democracy and self-rule.
If you were classically educated, you’d know the meme is about Sortition vs Elections (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition). The idea is that you can’t have democracy when you have to vote for your representative, because rich families will manipulate the election process. The better solution to pick your Senate would be to randomly select group representatives and have them cooperate.
And that was what Greece philosophers like Aristotle thought ~2300 years ago. Actually all sources we have suggest that Greeks from that era though that elections are undemocratic, and only sortition can provide true democracy.
Seems to be true today when we vote, we pick between turds, and nothing changes for the better. <- and that’s what meme is about
Side note: Carlin was right, you get educated only enough to be able to work for your masters.
How many people looking at that meme even knew about ancient Greeks shitting on elections in favour of sortition and went there, instead of thinking “elections bad? You must want to have a king, you authoritarian swine”
Without elections you get to have kings and emperors. Unless you go full on direct democracy which actually is becoming more feasible thanks to the Internet I guess?
The point is that a system where you just vote for a guy every four years won’t change anything because the rich are in charge and have all the power.
Without having the people in power there can’t be democracy.
And what’s the system where people are in power without elections?
Yep. We need direct democracy, using an auditable digital liquid democracy platform.
They’re right
We’re fighting the same people — fascists. These ones are just cosplaying as leftists
This is Lemmy, nothing here is significant enough to be part of a true culture war.
Also, this community is for memes so maybe don’t take it too seriously either
I’m not going to say it
Notgonnasayit
JUDEAN PEOPLE’S FRONT!!
There, I said it
My dude this is the Peoples Front of Judea territory
How do you feel about my right as a man to become pregnant?
It’s like your right to fly.
This infighting seems unproductive and frankly a waste of time.
as opposed to what pressing matters the community has on our plate?
Reddit and other non-free social media is the result of capitalism, have you considered similar negative effects would occur if the opposite world view was in power?
Reddit is part of the culture war. Lemmy.ml is part of the culture war. Lemmy.world is part of the culture war. Everything is part of the culture war.
The real enemy is authoritarianists.
Hilarious. Trivialize some real life tragic shit. You sound like a great person. Get deleted in a concentration camp for me.
Lol@ following up your feigned outrage at trivializing tragedy with a flippant request for your political opponents to die in concentration camps, you’ve discredited yourself better than I could have ever hoped to
It’s your concentration camp, not mine. I’m just asking that you get everything you ever asked for. I care about you ♥️
If it’s mine in any meaningful way then you’ll be put in a reeducation camp, you’re clearly not ideologically committed/coherent enough to justify execution, and I think you could still contribute to society and lead a decent quality life once you’ve got your head on straight
this guy defending reeducation camps. Lemmy be wild
Get deleted in a concentration camp for me.
Average “anti-authoritarian” when presented with actual left wing views.
I’m not making or endorsing them. I just think if you’re going to make them then you deserve to be in one.
You’re probably talking about Gulags. GULAG was the prison system of the USSS, with its primary intent being reform of criminals. The vast majority of GULAG prisoners weren’t political, as has transpired from modern historiography and analysis of the Soviet Archives. The only moment of history in which the GULAG system had a high mortality, was during the famine caused by Nazi invasion of the USSR, invasion in which 25 million Soviet lives were extinguished in the struggle against fascism. Before, and after the invasion, mortality rates went down to being much lower.
Talking of the GULAG system as of concentration camps just shows that you have done no research on the topic, which is shameful as a leftist. Socialism must be well-informed and materialist, not vibes-based. There is criticism that can be made of socialism, but it has to be grounded on reality if we want it to be effective, not grounded on CIA propaganda.
I think the strength of a federated social media is that it’s easy to change instance and infighting is a way to have this discussion and come to conclusions. You wouldn’t convince people to leave reddit by posting on lemmy and you wouldn’t turn a tankie into an anarchosyndicalist but you might reach people unaware about what instance they landed on or raise awareness about how to interact with communities and users on .ml. Why have a federated network anyway when you refuse to engage with the concept of federation?
dude it’s internet slap fighting, everything that happens here is on such a small scale that it’s barely a culture skirmish
Tankies are authoritarians, they aren’t allies. Historically they’re the ones killing leftists as soon as they gain power.
By defeating Tsarism, Nazism and doubling life expectancy, Bolsheviks actually saved tens of millions of leftist lives. In the same sense that you probably (hopefully) support Palestine even if right now they’re not very socially progressive regarding leftism, LGBT and women’s rights, you may understand why a state under the threat of Nazism invading went through serious disturbances.
I just joined because it didn’t require an email to sign up. Not sure what else happens in this instance tbh.
Authoritarians cosplaying socialist/communists.
Western leftists believe the only good communist is a dead communist. If they actually succeeded, they’d become “authoritarians”
Western leftists only like failed socialism.
If that’s what you call success, then maybe we should keep brainstorming.
Yeah that’s clearly working out great.
The climate?
Defeat of Tsarist absolutism, defeat of Nazism, universal healthcare and free education to the highest level, lowest inequality rates in the history of the region, doubling of life expectancy in the span of 30 years, guaranteed housing and abolition of homelessness, abolition of unemployment, respect and promotion of local languages and cultures to an until-then unseen degree (compare the evolution of Occitan speakers to that of Uzbek speakers), representation of women in institutions and having more female engineers by the 1960s than the rest of the world combined, urban planning based on pedestrians and public transit, support of anti-imperialist struggles all over the global south, unparalleled levels of worker unionization… All of this saved a hundred million lives in the USSR alone.
I do call all of this much more successful than any other system we’ve had. There were mistakes, as in any real political project, but actually winning the class war is one of the biggest markers of success.
They only want “socialism in name only”.
Sums them up perfectly. Pretends to be communist but acts like MAGA.
Edit: LOL looks like the tankies found this comment thread.
Acting like MAGA is when you ban pro-israel discourse and don’t allow transphobia to fester
Bedtimes are authoritarian, your parents are tyrannical
This you?
A ton of tankie stuff
It’s not as bad as it’s made out to be, but there are mods there that are the “whitest of knights” for authoritarians, despots, and fascists while pretending that it’s not the polar opposite of leftism.
Your instance has Zionists adminning it
it’s where all the tankies (supposed leftists who don’t understand that there’s no existing state that works for the good of its people) hang out. tbh I have no issues with the non political .ml users
supposed leftists who don’t understand that there’s no existing state that works for the good of its people
Back in my day, yall were kind enough to wear a mask and not say the quiet part through a bullhorn.
The worst allies anyone could hope for…
I chortled
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
gallumph
Huzzah, that was my hope!
Why do so many tankies hang out on a Mali top level domain?
🙄
So I should avoid Libertarians, OpenBSD, and the IWW?
I don’t know about the rest but yeah libertarians generally suck. But they can be really funny, just not when they’re trying to tell jokes.
For my favorite of all time, go to r/libertarian and search “age of consent”, then sort by controversial
Also libertarians support… checks notes…
selling children as consumer goods in accord with market forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard#Children’s_rights_and_parental_obligations
Yes you should definitely avoid libertarians. They’re not living in reality. The other two are probably fine.
Fair enough (OpenBSD is an operating system and the IWW is a major union)
You are welcome back on Reddit I am sure. Good luck with that.
